Russell Wilson or Elite Defense

[O-Ther]

What does any of that have to do with the topic at hand? All I'm saying is, it's quite the double standard to believe that even though the situations are almost identical, with the exception of Seattle being a better team, a QB contract will affect one but not the other. 

Personally, I don't see it affecting either team much. 

​The sheer number of free agents Seattle has next year is why people here are saying re-signing Wilson will cripple Seattle while paying Cam isn't going to cripple us likewise.

Our Unrestricted Free Agents next year who have a good chance to play significant snaps this year are Thomas Davis, CB Josh Norman, CB Charles Tillman, S Roman Harper, DT Colin Cole, FB Mike Tolbert, and WR Jerricho Cotchery. Of these, only CB Norman is under age 30 and will probably get a bigger contract than he has this year.

Seattle's comparable UFAs next year (based on their starting line-up last year) are LT Russell Okung, RG J.R. Sweezy, WR Jermaine Kearse, QB Russell Wilson, ILB Bobby Wagner, OLB Bruce Irvin, DT Brandon Mebane, DT Tony McDaniel, CB Jeremy Lane (Byron Maxwell's replacement), RB Robert Turbin (Lynch's back-up), DE Greg Scruggs (Bennett's back-up), and OLB Mike Morgan (Irvin's back-up). Of these, only DTs Mebane and McDaniel are age 30 or over. The others are all coming off their rookie contracts, which means they'll ALL be looking for those big $$$ second contracts.

That's the difference between Seattle's and Carolina's outlook.

 

[KSpan]

Who says Wilson will make more than Cam? The same people that said Cam would get $25M a year? No one knows what Wilson will get. 

Seattle is paying Lynch. Not "running backs". Lynch>>>Stewart/Williams. 

They locked up the 2 biggest stars on defense last offseason. I would like nothing better than to see Seattle fail, but you can't say a huge QB contract won't affect Carolinas elite defense but will affect Seattles. 

O-Ther's post below pretty much sums it up. Plus, contracts like Charles Johnson's and Ryan Kalil's are likely to be adjusted, and CJ's in particular could spell huge relief. Even after Cam's signing, Carolina still has huge cap space left and are near tops in the league with almost $100M unallocated in 2017 (http://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/).

 

Of course, that's little more than a ballpark estimate at this point, but it's a great indicator of the new philosophy in place in Carolina's FO. If Gettleman hits it out of the park for the third year in a row with this year's draft, it's probably safe to assume that the young, cheap talent will keep flowing and that the stars will get paid.

[Kakarot]

I believe once you got your Franchise QB, you lock him up. I'd skim a little off the defense to lock up my QB. Wilson is great, and has been instrumental in getting that team to back to back SB, despite what people on here say. 

 

[thefuzz]

I didn't say he should sign for less than Newton.

Those numbers include rushing yards and touchdowns for both quarterbacks. Points scored are points scored, why remove them?

Olsen plays a different position, and has not put up 1500 or more yards with 10+ touchdowns running the football each season the past 3 seasons. Greg is damn good, but Lynch is basically the best player at his position. I don't understand why you tried to make a connection there.

 

 

 

​You said it crazy to say that Cam's deal isn't the floor for Wilson's, but it is.  Wilson will not sign for less than Cam, unless, like I said earlier, it's fully guaranteed.  That means it's the floor for what Wilson will sign.  It's not hard to understand.

 

As the the Lynch, Olsen thing....you kept saying "why did they sign their 29 year old RB before their QB"?  I'm asking, why did we sign Olsen before we signed Cam?  Then, you say that Lynch is the best player at his position....and he may be (I don't really think so).  So shouldn't he be signed first?  You are talking in circles.

[Ace_Aladdin]

​What is any young QB's best friend? That's right, a dangerous ground game.

When was the last time the Carolina Panthers had a 1,000 yard RB? 2009.

Let's see here. Lynch with Wilson his first 3 seasons: (this is only including his rushing numbers by the way, he's a lethal receiving threat as well)

2012: 1,590 yards, 11 touchdowns

2013: 1,257 yards, 12 touchdowns

2014: 1,306 yards, 13 touchdowns

You cannot understate, even the slightest, the impact that Lynch has on that offense, and how that opens up their passing game. He's arguably the best RB in the league.

And as important as Lynch is their OL has been better than the panthers. The most important part is that they actually had the personnel with physical traits and skill set to run their offensive scheme , whereas as panthers had cast offs plugged in

[ZeroZeroSeven]

And as important as Lynch is their OL has been better than the panthers. The most important part is that they actually had the personnel with physical traits and skill set to run their offensive scheme , whereas as panthers had cast offs plugged in

​Surely you're not speaking of the great Bryon Bell and all-pro Nate Chandler?

[Ace_Aladdin]

​No, it's not.

He will not sign for less than Newton, unless it's fully guaranteed.  They share similar numbers, although you using Cam's rushing TD's and rushing yards is not really my cup of tea, as I prefer to judge a QB by passing stats, as that's what most likely will remain the same or get better.

Running game is a weapon of the new age of QB and it should be used as comparison since both are "dual threats"

[SOJA]

Both is an option???? - SEA's o-line and WRs are already terrible 

[thefuzz]

Running game is a weapon of the new age of QB and it should be used as comparison since both are "dual threats"

​We are talking about making QB's 100M dollar men.  Running is the one trait that always slows down as a QB ages, time and again, the QB's slow, and begin to get more and more injuries.

I just prefer not to use the rushing stats when judging QB's and how good they are.  If they can run, fantastic, but the game is won from the pocket.  Passing is much more important.

[ZeroZeroSeven]

Both is an option???? - SEA's o-line and WRs are already terrible ​

I think Seattle's O-line was pretty solid.  Unger (now in NO) was a pro bowl center, Sweezy is a upper echelon guard and Okung was an above average tackle.  The WRs aren't world beaters but they make plays when it matters.

[mbarbour21]

Russel Wilson, and it really ain't even close. I believe Wilson is a Franchise QB and I will go with then 9 times out of 9.1 times. If the offense can't score, the defense has to do everything. No matter how elite the defense is, offense is just as important. Pay who you believe is the core on D, and fill in the gaps. Keep Earl Thomas, Sherman, Wagner, and your best d-lineman; then do your best to draft well. 

[TheRed]

​You said it crazy to say that Cam's deal isn't the floor for Wilson's, but it is.  Wilson will not sign for less than Cam, unless, like I said earlier, it's fully guaranteed.  That means it's the floor for what Wilson will sign.  It's not hard to understand.

 

As the the Lynch, Olsen thing....you kept saying "why did they sign their 29 year old RB before their QB"?  I'm asking, why did we sign Olsen before we signed Cam?  Then, you say that Lynch is the best player at his position....and he may be (I don't really think so).  So shouldn't he be signed first?  You are talking in circles.

​I think at this point we are both talking in circles.

The basic point I made was, from my perspective, I do not think that a contract worth $103 million, with 60 million guaranteed is a slap in the face to Wilson. If the Seahawks throw $150 million or more at him, that seriously may end up biting them in the ass.

I asked the question about signing Lynch, because of the timing of it. Last offseason, and leading up until the season started, and during, he talked about wanting a new deal, and the Seahawks were basically having none of it.  The majority of expectations before that game ending interception in the Super Bowl were that Seattle was likely to let Marshawn walk. Then they seemingly panicked ,and threw a bag of money at him. To me, it looked like they had hoped Wilson would be ready to take over without Lynch carrying the load of the offense. But that obviously didn't happen, and they lost the Super Bowl.

[MedellinHeel]

Wilson has been playing at a high level ever since he was at NC State. 

 

[Ace_Aladdin]

​We are talking about making QB's 100M dollar men.  Running is the one trait that always slows down as a QB ages, time and again, the QB's slow, and begin to get more and more injuries.

I just prefer not to use the rushing stats when judging QB's and how good they are.  If they can run, fantastic, but the game is won from the pocket.  Passing is much more important.

​Your wrong my friend most dual threat QB's will be running for 95% of their career so the stats should be counted and when they do age they will still run but the amount of yards they will gain might  drop of little bit.