Further indictment against Tolbert

[CRA]

We just need to quit the nonsense.

30 year old runners don't need to be on rosters 

[Captain Obvious]

chandler, bell, silatou. if you run behind them you need a pass. Lets not pretend that was a NFL line. Yea he can go this year but don't use last year to compare.

[CRA]

chandler, bell, silatou. if you run behind them you need a pass. Lets not pretend that was a NFL line. Yea he can go this year but don't use last year to compare.

Stewart was a top 5 rusher the 2nd half of the season once last seasons 30 yr old RB got out of his way.   No passes given. 

Tolbert showed his age last year.  When you are that slow attacking the line you don't get a pass.  I could of shot gunned 2 beers by the time it took Tolbert to hit his hole the other night 

[panther4life]

chandler, bell, silatou. if you run behind them you need a pass. Lets not pretend that was a NFL line. Yea he can go this year but don't use last year to compare.

I was just using last year to show the start of his decline. Chandler and Bell played the outside. Tolbert's specialty used to be pounding it up the middle. He showed last year and against Miami, that behind, Norwell,Kalil, and Turner he is not what he used to be. 

Meanwhile Stewart,Williams,and Whitaker who had to do the outside running(behind Bell and Chandler) yielded better results. 

[top dawg]

We just need to quit the nonsense.

30 year old runners don't need to be on this roster

FIFY. 

BTW, AD and Frank Gore say, "Hello!"

[CRA]

FIFY. 

BTW, AD and Frank Gore say, "Hello!"

there is an exception to every rule....that causes people to make mistakes(see us).

 

[juliosantos]

tolbert looked bad last year and horrible vs the dolphins its like hes not that same player from 2 years ago that would  carry dudes for first downs but i dont think we should cut him 

[TheRed]

I definitely would not give Tolbert a "pass" for last year. But the reality is, our OL was poo half the season. Stewart looked pretty good once our OL finally got some continuity, and better talent suited for their roles in place.

Did Tolbert even play against Buffalo? Doesn't look like it. He had 3 rushes against Miami. That's it.

Maybe this is a crazy thought, but I would like to see a little bit of a larger sample size before cutting the guy like he's a bum.

[Captain Obvious]

Stewart was a top 5 rusher the 2nd half of the season once last seasons 30 yr old RB got out of his way.   No passes given. 

Tolbert showed his age last year.  When you are that slow attacking the line you don't get a pass.  I could of shot gunned 2 beers by the time it took Tolbert to hit his hole the other night 

I said he could go. I'm not invested in him any way. Just our O-line last year to begin the season was epically bad. I'm surprised Cam and the RB's were not carried out on backboards.

[SOJA]

At this point either:

a.) Tolbert gets cut and half of the Huddle screams that they told us so

b.) Tolbert stays on the team and the same Huddlers lament that Rivera never makes changes 

Bank on it. 

[CRA]

I definitely would not give Tolbert a "pass" for last year. But the reality is, our OL was poo half the season. Stewart looked pretty good once our OL finally got some continuity, and better talent suited for their roles in place.

Did Tolbert even play against Buffalo? Doesn't look like it. He had 3 rushes against Miami. That's it.

Maybe this is a crazy thought, but I would like to see a little bit of a larger sample size before cutting the guy like he's a bum.

and he looked like a slower version of the slow guy we saw last year.

 

every think the run game stunk early last year bc Williams and Tolbert just weren't good enough as they approached the line?

 

Stewart didn't suddenly get exceptional holes.  He made stuff happen on his own often.  People didn't bring him down with finger tip touches like 34 and Tolbert quit going forward at contact.  Those were changes in the runners, not something the OL did

[Seltzer]

We just need to quit the nonsense.

30 year old runners don't need to be on rosters 

Yep.  Although Tolbert actually won't turn 30 until the middle of the season.  Regardless, the point remains.  

I give all the credit in the world to Rivera & Gettleman.  Paying Williams and Stewart like it was 1995 in 2012 dollars could have seriously wrecked this team (and a lot of people thought it would).  Winning the division the last 2 years has been a major deodorant on how bad those contracts were.

 

[Seltzer]

I personally think Tolbert will end up on the roster, although I do appreciate the research the OP did.  Unless he shows something this year, though, can't imagine him on the roster next year.

I think Fozzy & Brockel are the likely candidates to be replaced by Wegher & Ward, who both deserve roster spots.

 

[panther4life]

 

 

 

 I don't hate the guy and will root for him to return to form if we keep him. However it appears we may have cheaper, more affordable options now. The o-line was hot garbage last year. We all know that. The interior of the line, where he mainly goes behind was the strength of the line. The interior is not going to magically get that much better this year. So if we have the same line and he still cant produce behind them, then its a wast of a roster spot and cap space.

As far as everyone complaining about the stats I posted, they were mainly to illustrate his poor perfomance on his previous specialty. Pounding the rock on goaline and short yardage situations. 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TolbMi00/splits/2014/

Here is his splits in those situations.

1-3 yards to go. 7 attempts, 10 yards. 1 first down.

Stewart in the same situations went 23 for 31 yards, but got 11 1St downs and 2 TD's out of it.

Opponents 1-10 yard line. 7 attempts 0 yards

The other time we utilize him the most is 3rd down draws or as a blocker on 3rd down. On 3rd and 10+ to go heres how he faired. 

20 rushes for 54 yards. 1 1ST DOWN. So 54 of his 78 total rushing yards came on draw plays and he yielded us one first down.

So remove draw plays and he went 17 rushes for 24 yards and 4 1st downs, 0 TD's. That just does not add up to him being worth our 8th highest cap hit and the one guy we can actually see cap savings from by releasing.