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I wonder if comp picks entered equation to cut Trusnik/Todman

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I don't get the intricacies of compensatory picks (and don't really care to), I just loosely know that we have the possibility of getting one due to losing Hardy. 

My question is whether or not comp picks could have been on Gettleman's mind when he decided to dump Trusnik, Todman, and Boykin for that matter? Yes, I know there were other reasons to cut them (and obvious reasons to keep them), but could the possibility of as much as a third round pick have been a compelling enough of a reason to cut ties with these vets?

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Why wouldn't the other two qualify (if you can explain it in elementary terms)?

Only true UFAs count, cut and renounced players don't. Trusnik, Tillman, and Coleman were signed as true UFAs, with no real connection to their former team anymore. On the other end, the same is true of Hardy, Bell, and Dockery. 

Oher, Ginn, and Jonathan Martin were released by their former teams, so they weren't true UFAs. Likewise, the rights to Boykin, Todman, and Teddy Williams were held by other teams, they just declined to bring them back, so they are also not considered UFAs.

Dockery was cut during the first round a couple days ago, but then Trusnik was cut today, so we're still breaking even. 

Full disclosure: the algorithm used is kept under wraps, so no one outside the NFL REALLY knows how it works. Given they have a meeting to decide the picks, my hunch is that it's less a formula and more an arbitrary system ranking gained/lost UFAs.

For instance, we got a pick for losing Hixon, a player who signed with the Bears and retired in preseason after an ACL tear, so it's pretty unpredictable. History shows though that only true UFAs that stick with their new team for at least 10 weeks of the season USUALLY count however. And it's entirely possible that Hardy may hold more weight via salary and performance, who knows. 

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I thought the basis of comp picks was losing free agents. Ive been confused by all the comp pick talk as I would assume cutting someone disqualifies them from the equation. Especially if that person never played a down for you. Im not even sure Hardy gets us much. 

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it's not just bodies replaced, salary and playing time come in to the equation as well. 

No one knows the formula but the NFL. They're weird about it. 

Pretty much this.  It's not body for body, there are multiple factors.  There are lots of rumors and wive's tales circulating about how comp picks are decided, but no one actually knows except the NFL.  How these factors are calculated to come up with final multiples to rank is anybody's guess.  Most evidence points towards salary and playing time being the major factors, but I don't know if there are other factors involved.  For example, a team losing a huge FA (such as Suh, this year) wouldn't lose out on comp picks if that was their only FA loss and they signed two bench players with minimum contracts.  They'd probably still get a 3rd.

Hardy didn't get a big contract, and will play at least 12 games (barring injury) so if we get a comp pick at all, it'll probably be a really low one anyway.

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Obviously cut players don't count. But if the player you lost gets cut by their new team, then what is there to be "compensated" for? It's a weird system that forces fans to keep rooting for guys for a year after they've left their team. 

While it's not just "bodies for bodies" per se, historically signing (and keeping) as many or more UFAs than you lost is typically a non-starter when it comes to compensatory picks. 

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