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Hawks Fans are mad RW isn't MVP

Lilsmitty09

By Lilsmitty09,
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8 hours ago, Lilsmitty09 said:

Damn...RW stats when his starting field position is bad...Didn't Cam have like 3 80 yard drives vs Seattle too? Maybe his defense does a lot for him

Value Cmp Att Inc Cmp% Yds TD 1D Int Rate Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD 1D Tgt Rec Yds Y/R Y/Tgt TD 1D
Field Position Own 1-10 33 46 13 71.74 337 0 12 1 83.3 7.3 6.35 8 76 9.5 0 2 0 0 0     0 0
  Own 1-20 181 244 63 74.18 2421 3 95 6 99.1 9.9 9.06 44 285 6.5 0 11 0 0 0     0 0
  Own 21-50 472 727 255 64.92 6185 1 278 14 84.1 8.5 7.67 150 959 6.4 0 47 0 0 0     0 0

Also special teams, with Tyler Locket-especially.

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15 hours ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

A good number of them are starting to get insufferable. They despise the fact that Newton is gonna win MVP and that Norman is a DPOY candidate. In fact, anything Panthers-related is negative. Talk about an inferiority complex. I'm done chatting with them for awhile. 

Yup

I especially love when they dismiss Cam's early season (even though at one point he had 7TD-2 INT's), when Wilson was much worse, and  Seahawk fans were being highly critical of Wilsons play.

Meanwhile Cam was touted an MVP candidate by Panther fans, media and close observers from day one. And everyone was aware of the numerous bad weather games, drops, and misfortune Cam experienced (dragging down his stats), while still managing to pull games out. So now that Seahawk fans think Wilson's in the running for MVP (or don't), now they criticized Newtons first few games as below standard.

Talk about misguided hubris, irrational thinking, and idiocy.

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17 hours ago, beastson said:

All Wilson do is get the ball out of his hands in 2-3 secs on his first read. If he's forced to hold the ball he looks to run and throw on the run what he does best. Their OC and Pete built a system to masks his weaknesses. Only system built around Cam was the running game, the passing game he had to learn 2 systems Shula and Chud. He had to read the defenses, stand in the pocket and make the throws. Im telling you if Wilson went to a different team he'll struggle and look completely different. Look what happened to Kaep who according to Jaws had potential to be the best QB ever. Harbaugh left and now he's on his way to being traded. Good QB, but everybody sees this except Seahawk fans

Yup Yup

This, and the rest of your points!

Been saying this for years-from day one (though you got to give him credit for surviving, compared to Kaep and RG3).

But you are right. Wilson struggled earlier this year when they tried to turn him into a pocket passer. Unfortunately, he held on to the ball too long, and/or ran too often; thus the plays broke down unsuccessfully all too often.

So the Hawks went back to his first two years calling card. This was getting rid of the ball quick (as you stated); essentially making him a one read QB. Once that 1st read is gone, he starts strutting around like a wild chicken, cause he can't see over the defense or properly read it. To his credit: He made a lot of those quick throws TD's count during his recent hot streak from the pocket (so didn't have to run). For this, the media said he was "throwing from the pocket (albeit with mostly one read/quick throw)". However, he's been back to his blind Hamster, scramble drill act the past few games, throwing short floaters on the run for cheap TD's.

Wilson's, not the patient QB that calmly looks over the defense and picks you apart or throws downfield (or even peeks through cracks and lanes from the pocket-like the 5'11" Brees). No he's not.

Most of Wilson's success is due to quick hitters, broken plays and scramble drill. That's it! Wilson, doesn't even make adjustments at the line; unless this has changed? His center does that (the one who used to do it, left the team). As you said; they scheme him very well most times. And they don't ask him to drop back and read defenses on a repeated basis.

This is why Seattle fans, when discussing Wilson (especially against Cam) will always bring up stats and numbers; no matter how nebulous vs actual evaluation and observation. This is because, Wilson doesn't pass the eye test (though he's still good at what he does). And then of course, their large base of Numb Nuts fans don't know; are incapable, or couldn't care less about any of this.

But hey!  Russell's been successful with it. Gotta give him credit for that. Which many do!  Nonetheless, he's faaaaaar from a pocket QB. Never has been. When the team was losing, this was clearly pointed out. And this should all eventually catch up with him IMO.

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41 minutes ago, pantherjack77 said:

http://www.seahawks.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=121483

Funny what happens to a fanbase when you finally beat them. All of a sudden "They're cool, like the East Coast version of us" becomes "I can't stand those guys!"

This is why I want Seattle in two weeks. With Colts-Pats virtually dead, this has the potential to be the next must-see conference rivalry for a long time and no doubt it would be a fantastic game.

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1 hour ago, cbarrier90 said:

And once MJ and the Bulls got past Isiah and ended their short run at the top...

Not only true but there can be no doubt it made him stronger.  Is there even a "flu game" without the trials endured so many years earlier?

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