Free agency not the draft will be the key this off season

[rippadonn]

I'd take Hardy too, so would coach, but JR?!?

Hopefully this bad taste in his and our mouths would change his mind a bit.

For the money protection for Cam must be paramount

[GoobyPls]

22 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

You spend your money on quality players who have bought into the team and its philosophy. You grab a few mid-price free agents to fill in a hole or two in your roster, then keep your notes in case someone gets injured.

Then you spread the wealth around a bit to keep quality players who make those around them better. Then you are really selective in the draft with an eye to finding long-term team players.

Buy low, develop value, get the most out of it, then feel free to sell if a player wants a price that's too high for their real, not perceived, skill set.

The biggest problem with the biggest players in most free agency markets is that they are generally specialists. Suh distrupts the pocket and scares people, TO could stretch a defense, the interchangeable McCowns can learn a playbook and pack up their families quickly... Those are great if you need just that particular itch scratched. If you need more than that, they often fall short. Suh can't lead a defense or a locker room to save his life. TO wasn't going over the middle where he could get hit, the McCowns could carry a game, but not a season. And if they aren't a no-longer needed specialist, they've often gotten too much tread worn off the tires or some other little secret.

Remember when Percy Harvin was missing games in Minnesota because of migraines? Some folks spent a lot of money to find out that was far from the whole story. Bradford was the touted starting QB for the Rams, until they unloaded him on the Eagles. The Eagles, just as craftily, said here's Foles, he's great! 

Nah, let Gettleman keep Gettlemagicking. It's working wonders. NFC champs ain't bad and it won't be the end of the road either. We're probably way ahead of his schedule already.

You bring Suh, TO, McCown. But forget to mention a team that just beat us with Peyton, Sanders, Ward, Ware and Talib all FA. 

 

You straight up dismissed the last 4 SB winners who all were active in signing big name free agents. 

 

When you sign the bottom of the barrel your getting what you paid for. Its a miracle Cam was able to carry us this far to begin with, and I'm pretty sure he was holding in his tongue in the press conference last night.

[Khyber53]

3 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

You bring Suh, TO, McCown. But forget to mention a team that just beat us with Peyton, Sanders, Ward, Ware and Talib all FA. 

 

You straight up dismissed the last 4 SB winners who all were active in signing big name free agents. 

 

When you sign the bottom of the barrel your getting what you paid for. Its a miracle Cam was able to carry us this far to begin with, and I'm pretty sure he was holding in his tongue in the press conference last night.

So, you're a Cam fan, not a Carolina fan? Cam is astounding and rightfully the MVP of the team and the league, but he didn't completely carry the team this year. There were 52 other guys (plus a few more) who put their hearts and souls out there all season long and through the play offs. 

This isn't Madden.

And I would rather we use the money to keep our good guys that we can fully and completely evaluate rather than just go out shopping so we can match somebody's fantasy team.

[UKPanther94]

The draft is always going to be the most important thing when it comes to a Gettleman Panthers team, but free agency is more important this time around. The best use for it is teams that need that one or two addition to tip them over the edge (i.e us right now) because some of the better UFAs will pick contender over money unless it's obscene dollar

[KillerKat]

I agree. Even with KB back, he's not enough. We have to find another WR option for depth. Ginn is homerun or miss. Brown is mostly butter hands. I'm not even sure if he sticks around next season. Cotchery may not even play next season. Yeah we'll have KB, Funch, and Ginn as certain top 3. However, we need to have insurance in case injury happens again and someone who definitely has sure hands. 

Harper also may not be here. We have a good safety in Boston to step up, but again we need insurance. We also are very thin at CB with Tillman not being back.  CJ is also someone who may not be here.

We have some holes to fill. Gettleman has work to do.

[cbarrier90]

3 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

You bring Suh, TO, McCown. But forget to mention a team that just beat us with Peyton, Sanders, Ward, Ware and Talib all FA. 

 

You straight up dismissed the last 4 SB winners who all were active in signing big name free agents. 

 

When you sign the bottom of the barrel your getting what you paid for. Its a miracle Cam was able to carry us this far to begin with, and I'm pretty sure he was holding in his tongue in the press conference last night.

Nothing was ever said about not spending in free agency, just that the first priority should be given to the draftees that come through the system, especially when it's the best DT combo and the best corner in the game.

After theyre taken care of, THEN you can splurge if you have the funds necessary. Problem is the talent on the roster that needs contracts is so expensive that money to make big moves may not be there. That's a good problem to have.

When Denver acquired Manning they and everyone that signed after them knew they were operating on borrowed time and created their roster accordingly. Now they're going to face some upheaval and make some very tough decisions. Sure, there are great young pieces in spots, but they're going to go through some growing pains to replace those older vets they lose.

Long term contention vs (relatively) instant gratification. Two different franchises with two different scenarios.

[GoobyPls]

52 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

So, you're a Cam fan, not a Carolina fan? Cam is astounding and rightfully the MVP of the team and the league, but he didn't completely carry the team this year. There were 52 other guys (plus a few more) who put their hearts and souls out there all season long and through the play offs. 

This isn't Madden.

And I would rather we use the money to keep our good guys that we can fully and completely evaluate rather than just go out shopping so we can match somebody's fantasy team.

Still avoiding the fact that SB winning team actually go after known names in free agency?

 

And no I'm a panthers fan I just see the full picture, we had far and away the worst receiving core coming into this season, we never addressed. Week by week our receivers would dropped passes, barely get separation, never got YAC but since we kept winning it wasn't brought up, but now that it came back to bite us in ass, its time to address it. Teams have gone out and spend money in free agency and still kept their core players so this whole notion that we got to lose one to pay one is a made up narrative.

[Ace_Aladdin]

6 hours ago, Seltzer said:

I wouldn't get my hopes up too much though.  Gettleman still has to potentially franchise Norman, extend KK/Star, resign Tolbert, sign CB to replace Tillman, etc.

We will sign/extend Norman, KK, Star, Tolbert,etc.  Where gonna keep the core first then worry about filling the voids with FA.

[GoobyPls]

25 minutes ago, cbarrier90 said:

Nothing was ever said about not spending in free agency, just that the first priority should be given to the draftees that come through the system, especially when it's the best DT combo and the best corner in the game.

After theyre taken care of, THEN you can splurge if you have the funds necessary. Problem is the talent on the roster that needs contracts is so expensive that money to make big moves may not be there. That's a good problem to have.

When Denver acquired Manning they and everyone that signed after them knew they were operating on borrowed time and created their roster accordingly. Now they're going to face some upheaval and make some very tough decisions. Sure, there are great young pieces in spots, but they're going to go through some growing pains to replace those older vets they lose.

Long term contention vs (relatively) instant gratification. Two different franchises with two different scenarios.

Well at the end of the day the Broncos got their Sb we didn't, you act as if getting back to the SB is sure thing. Marino went his second year, NEVER went back. We are win win now mode, the NFL is a win now league and like I said I don't want to go out there and spend a ton of money on free agent I just don't want the Cotchery, Ginn and Avant of the worlds on a season to season basis to be our key acquisitions.

 

If you want I can use Seattle as an example since they seem to resemble us more than anyone else, they went out and got Avril, Bennett, Harvin, Lynch and now Graham. Not all of them worked out but at least they tried.

[PanthersGOATFan336]

Lmfao at people wanting a WR we already have 2 of in the same mold

[The Lone Panther]

It will be interesting to see what Gman does this offseason.  His method of focusing on the draft and cheap vets has worked so far, so I personally don't see him forking over any big money for any big name free agents.  However, I wouldn't mind see us going after Mario Williams to replace Johnson, and then grab the guy from Oklahoma St in the 1st. 

[The Lone Panther]

12 minutes ago, PanthersGOATFan336 said:

Lmfao at people wanting a WR we already have 2 of in the same mold

Yeah, I don't understand it as well.  We're set at receiver with KB, Funchess, Ginn & Brown.  Bersin is 100% gone, not sure about Cotchery, though. 

[cbarrier90]

3 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Well at the end of the day the Broncos got their Sb we didn't, you act as if getting back to the SB is sure thing. Marino went his second year, NEVER went back. We are win win now mode, the NFL is a win now league and like I said I don't want to go out there and spend a ton of money on free agent I just don't want the Cotchery, Ginn and Avant of the worlds on a season to season basis to be our key acquisitions.

 

If you want I can use Seattle as an example since they seem to resemble us more than anyone else, they went out and got Avril, Bennett, Harvin, Lynch and now Graham. Not all of them worked out but at least they tried.

I never said anything about getting back to the Super Bowl. I said we are building something much like the Packers, Pats, Seahawks and every other team with a franchise QB where the expectation is to be a playoff team every year. Think about where this team was just six years ago and that's an accomplishment.

Once youre there, anything can happen, particularly if you get a fair share of home games.

Seattle is a much more appropriate example for our roster building. Unfortunately their impatience to spend first rounders to win now ultimately helped the Panthers finally get over that hump once Graham struggled to fit and the interior of the line imploded without Unger.

I don't know what our cap situation looks like but i know it's not nearly as dire as it used to be and we have space to start spending money at necessary positions.

The same philosophy holds true whether or not you have cap space: it's not about making the flashy move, it's about making the right move.

[GoobyPls]

18 minutes ago, cbarrier90 said:

I never said anything about getting back to the Super Bowl. I said we are building something much like the Packers, Pats, Seahawks and every other team with a franchise QB where the expectation is to be a playoff team every year. Think about where this team was just six years ago and that's an accomplishment.

Once youre there, anything can happen, particularly if you get a fair share of home games.

Seattle is a much more appropriate example for our roster building. Unfortunately their impatience to spend first rounders to win now ultimately helped the Panthers finally get over that hump once Graham struggled to fit and the interior of the line imploded without Unger.

I don't know what our cap situation looks like but i know it's not nearly as dire as it used to be and we have space to start spending money at necessary positions.

The same philosophy holds true whether or not you have cap space: it's not about making the flashy move, it's about making the right move.

The whole point of building something is to get back and win a SB.

Yeah we beat Seattle and it had more to do with our offense finally being able to move the ball on them. And Seattle already has their SB in which they had a lot of nice notable free agents.

 

My whole point is looking at the recent SB winners its getting to the point its almost impossible to win without some key free agents, and no guys like Tedd Ginn and Cotchery don't count as "key" free agents. I'm hoping DG goes after some notable players this off season to help put over the hump.