Positions that need to be filled before the draft.

[KB_fan]

Thanks @MHS831

As one of the women on this board, I appreciate your thinking about what re-signing Hardy would mean to the Panthers' female fans.

I also have a pragmatic reason why i don't want to see him in our locker room:

One weakness we still have as a team is that we don't handle media circuses and distractions very well.  

• Think of the media brouhaha following the Giants game and OBJ and the bat.....  what happened next Sunday?  We lost  to Atlanta.  (Yes, there were other things that contributed:  rain & Christmas disrupted practice, and Cam & his girlfriend had a baby....)
• I think the pre-Super Bowl media circus contributed to our poor play in the Super Bowl.  Most of our team and coaches had never been there before.  Denver had been.  I think it wore out our team emotionally in ways they didn't really recognize until it was too late.  We came out flat / jittery / whatever.... played badly.
• And the 2014 season with the whole Hardy Brouhaha.... we had that horrible 2 month winless streak.  Now yes, that was much more than just the media distraction and the sudden loss of Hardy.  Our Oline was terrible, etc.  But still.... the ongoing media circus played a part.

Ron is a creature of R-O-U-T-I-N-E.   Hardy brings added media scrutiny and the risk of something blowing up.   Don't think we need that stress and risk of distraction.

[top dawg]

24 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Did you read what Jared Allen said about the locker room?  Do you know why Tolbert and Johnson gave us discounts to return?  If Hardy=winning, then how did we win 22 games vs. 10 losses without him?  How did Dallas do last year, especially defensively? 

But that is not why you don't bring him back....

Women are a large part of our fan base. What do you say to them?  Did you see a slew of teammates begging anyone to bring Hardy back?  The one free agent that has a ZERO chance of returning to Carolina is Greg Hardy.  I suggest you adjust your priorities and consider life where you do not covet and endorse people who physically abuse women.

(This is where you defend him because you know more than the legal system or pretend that he didn't buy her silence)

 

You know that I respect and agree with your opinions mostly, but I think that you're being overly judgmental against @NcPsa10. 

The whole Greg Hardy thing here was unfortunate. Personally, I think that Hardy has done enough damage to himself---irrespective of that debacle---this past season that would easily justify not bringing him back, that there is no need to even bring that stuff up again. 

To me, as well as some others, I think that there is enough nebulous information and disinformation regarding that whole matter that I am going to reserve judgment against people on either side. Paying people off for their silence is not necessarily an admission of guilt, as it can always be used as a tool to avoid a PR nightmare and even higher legal costs at the end of the day. Not saying that Hardy didn't physically abuse the girl, but there are still plenty of questions regarding the whole mess. Hardy is somewhat of a headcase, but to imply that he is some type of habitual woman beater (which is not born out by his history) and question another Huddler's priorities because he advocates for the guy as a teammate (just like our very own Charles Johnson and Thomas David did back then) is a little heavy-handed in my opinion. 

 

[CarolinaSamurai]

Waiting is the worse part this free agency period. I don't want to be flashy just want some news. 

[NcPsa10]

1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

Did you read what Jared Allen said about the locker room?  Do you know why Tolbert and Johnson gave us discounts to return?  If Hardy=winning, then how did we win 22 games vs. 10 losses without him?  How did Dallas do last year, especially defensively? 

But that is not why you don't bring him back....

Women are a large part of our fan base. What do you say to them?  Did you see a slew of teammates begging anyone to bring Hardy back?  The one free agent that has a ZERO chance of returning to Carolina is Greg Hardy.  I suggest you adjust your priorities and consider life where you do not covet and endorse people who physically abuse women.

(This is where you defend him because you know more than the legal system or pretend that he didn't buy her silence)

 

That's cool  I'm not going to set here and get in to a fuss with you over Hardy - Don't see the point in it at all , I said what i said and if what i said upsets you then so be it ,,,,,

But keep in mind I suggest you adjust your priorities as well and consider life as you told me where you do not covet and endorse people who physically abuse women cause ever Time you watch the NFL YOU are putting $ into ever woman beater , child molester And rapist pockets  that you just unjustifiably said I covet and endorse that play for the NFL   , So yea good job trying to Judge me by that  post .....

 I Enjoy Football as a sport that does not  mean I would walk hand and hand with the players that play it ..

 

[MHS831]

38 minutes ago, top dawg said:

You know that I respect and agree with your opinions mostly, but I think that you're being overly judgmental against @NcPsa10. 

The whole Greg Hardy thing here was unfortunate. Personally, I think that Hardy has done enough damage to himself---irrespective of that debacle---this past season that would easily justify not bringing him back, that there is no need to even bring that stuff up again. 

To me, as well as some others, I think that there is enough nebulous information and disinformation regarding that whole matter that I am going to reserve judgment against people on either side. Paying people off for their silence is not necessarily an admission of guilt, as it can always be used as a tool to avoid a PR nightmare and even higher legal costs at the end of the day. Not saying that Hardy didn't physically abuse the girl, but there are still plenty of questions regarding the whole mess. Hardy is somewhat of a headcase, but to imply that he is some type of habitual woman beater (which is not born out by his history) and question another Huddler's priorities because he advocates for the guy as a teammate (just like our very own Charles Johnson and Thomas David did back then) is a little heavy-handed in my opinion. 

 

Perhaps, and I apologize, but i have actually written a book about abuse and advocate for the disadvantaged over it.  It is an area of sensitivity for me, and to assume that we are in a position to make a determination of guilt or innocence is presumptuous.  What we do know is that we allowed our love for NFL football to sway our judgement because the victim had 15 or so sacks and we want a Lombardi.  We also judged the character of the victim without knowing her, assuming that she was fabricating or embellishing facts for profit, and that she somehow deserved those marks on her neck.  When Hardy was getting endorsements from teammates, it was before the photos and other details emerged.  Although I can't prove this (nobody can), I have little doubt he paid her off, knowing the photos could ruin him.  I think I heard $4m.  Rumor or fact, wrong place at wrong time, some issues are bigger than football, if only in perceptions.  The player takes the money and the fame that goes along with it, giving him entrances and adorations that he would never get on character or intellect, and it is that player's responsibility to protect his name, his team's name, and the league's name.  He did not.  While he may have made the NRA proud, he infuriated NOW, a much more important organization beyond the walls of the typical man cave.

Regardless of whether anyone feels qualified to determine his guilt or innocence, despite the distortions of bias, media ratings-led sensationalism, and water cooler chatting at the office, the one truth remains--bringing him back figuratively slaps women in the face.  You see, this is a situation where it does not matter how you or I feel, but how others might feel.  Where are our priorities if we bring him back and give a ton of money to him?  Will women cheer for him when he sacks the QB with war paint eye black and vampire contacts? 

Yes, I was harsh on him because I don't think he meant to degrade women by his statements, but he made them, and I felt the need to remind people what he did and how his presence makes some people feel.  I do not want the Panthers supporting him.  In fact, there are many who think Adrian Peterson got a raw deal. As an adult who was physically abused as a child, I was pleased by the NFL's stance against him.  The Vikings sold out children, but since people consider children property more than humans, they tend to look away and consider abuse "none of their business."  Abuse is my business, so I will never insensitively endorse a person who has abused another human being because I think it will help my team win a game.

I appreciate your response, Dawg.  I have always admired your mind and position.  I won't waiver on this, but I can see where my reaction may have appeared harsh.  Thanks for reading this far!

[MHS831]

19 minutes ago, NcPsa10 said:

That's cool  I'm not going to set here and get in to a fuss with you over Hardy - Don't see the point in it at all , I said what i said and if what i said upsets you then so be it ,,,,,

But keep in mind I suggest you adjust your priorities as well and consider life as you told me where you do not covet and endorse people who physically abuse women cause ever Time you watch the NFL YOU are putting $ into ever woman beater , child molester And rapist pockets  that you just unjustifiably said I covet and endorse that play for the NFL   , So yea good job trying to Judge me by that  post .....

 I Enjoy Football as a sport that does not  mean I would walk hand and hand with the players that play it ..

 

I may have been a bit harsh in my response, but you should read my response to Dawg's post if you want to know why.  As for your argument here, it is not based on any significant fact--maybe you are watching "The Longest Yard" and confusing the two. No, I would not watch NFL football if it was full of characters you describe, and the fact that you think the NFL is full of woman beaters, child molesters, and rapists and still support the NFL regardless --because you do not have to walk "hand in hand" with the players-- is rather disturbing.   Imagine if Hardy left red marks on your sister's neck.  Would you want him back?  Would you cheer for him?  If not (and "no" is the only civil answer here), it reveals an attitude that is void of sensitivity for others, which is my point.

The NFL, Panthers know Hardy is bad for business.  It knows women are a growing part of the fan base.  It knows what actually matters.   On paper, I see your argument, but I refuse to endorse people like Hardy because when I do, I disrespect and trivialize all women who have been abused.  Can't do that.

[WOW!!]

Re-sign Love and Amini or go after Hicks and resign Amini

Sign a CB and Safety. .

BPA in the draft..

[NcPsa10]

6 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

 As for your argument here, it is not based on any significant fact--maybe you are watching "The Longest Yard" and confusing the two. No, I would not watch NFL football if it was full of characters you describe, 

 

hmmm ? http://www.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/arrests/  

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, NcPsa10 said:

hmmm ? http://www.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/arrests/  

Look over to the right side of that column.  You'll see the term "released" a lot.

You'll also notice you don't see the Panthers listed all that frequently.

[MHS831]

4 minutes ago, NcPsa10 said:

hmmm ? http://www.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/arrests/  

  Please delete all names that are not rapists, child molesters, and/or women beaters. How big is the list now?  The fact that you are trying to prove your point instead of reconsidering your fandom based on your misguided view of NFL players and the difference between victimless misdemeanors and felony assault is revealing.

[NcPsa10]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Look over to the right side of that column.  You'll see the term "released" a lot.

You'll also notice you don't see the Panthers listed all that frequently.

you relay going to make me go in to detail of what team we should not watch/play that has a women beater/rapist that we play ?

I said NFL not panthers .... I get it I'm not of the click or a author of a book ( lol ) here on Ch so I'm fighting a losing battle here ..  If you and anyone else want to judge me as to what I posted do as you see fit .. I'm done with this 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, NcPsa10 said:

you relay going to make me go in to detail of what team we should not watch/play that has a women beater/rapist that we play ?

I said NFL not panthers .... I get it I'm not of the click or a author of a book ( lol ) here on Ch so I'm fighting a losing battle here ..  If you and anyone else want to judge me as to what I posted do as you see fit .. I'm done with this 

Offering a different opinion isn't judging you.

There are things in this world that are more important than football.  And people are very very much not okay with someone who beats or rapes a woman. 

If it were someone you cared about that was a victim of one of these guys, could you still cheer for them on the football field?

[NcPsa10]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Offering a different opinion isn't judging you.

There are things in this world that are more important than football.  And people are very very much not okay with someone who beats or rapes a woman. 

If it were someone you cared about that was a victim of one of these guys, could you still cheer for them on the football field?

yep that's right keep poking the fire , 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, NcPsa10 said:

yep that's right keep poking the fire , 

Not 'poking' anything.  Asked you a question to give you something to think about.