I Don't Get The Celebration Here...

[chknwing]

3 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

Cuervo Gold if you must know. Now get off my lawn.

rookie. got me a bottle of Wray & Nephew White rum.  this poo will fug u up.

[CarolinaNCSU]

16 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

fug the amount of money per year, the guaranteed dollars is what really matters. Wonder how far they were off there. 

That's what I've wondered all along. Would've loved to guarantee a ton up front, then make it possible to cut later if his play did fall off. Maybe it was offered, maybe not. Gettleman has always had KK in mind though I'd assume, so maybe he wasn't comfortable guaranteeing a ton up front so we can get KK done this year. 

No problem giving Norman 15 a year for 4 years if only half of it was guaranteed. I'd think he wanted more along the lines of 40-45 guaranteed, though...as he should. 

[The Total Package]

1 hour ago, Proudiddy said:

Josh was a HUGE part of our success this last season.  He's not perfect, and perhaps he overvalued himself, but he's the perfect fit for us.  And the biggest thing that irks me about all of this high fiving over our GM publicly humiliating him (which brings back horrible memories of the Smitty debacle for me), is that he isn't in the wrong.  This is his livelihood.  This is how he makes a life for himself and his family.  And this is most likely his best and only chance at making the most money he possibly can, and so he did what any person in his position would do - see what the maximum amount he can get is.  And GMan essentially castrates him in front of the world for no other reason but his pride.

This isn't a one off either.  We have done this more than once now with prominent players.  Do you think agents and players will be encouraged to do business with us if they can avoid it when we air their kind out like this?

I respect GMan.  The guy knows his stuff and he has made me eat my crow time and again (except for Smitty lol), but this just stinks to me.  I know it's business and the franchise/team's needs are the priority for me as a fan, but Norman is a good guy.  He laid it all out there for us and at his age, he is looking to maximize what he can make...  he did nothing wrong and fans are here acting like it is a celebratory event that he was embarrassed by our FO and will now most likely be playing elsewhere, while we scramble to find a replacement.  Yay!

Gettleman did him a huge favor and let him go out and get as much money as he can without the franchise tag. That was a classy move. I wish he didn't, but that's the way it is.

[Montsta]

Honestly @Proudiddy I think you become too emotionally invested in individual players. You lean toward the side of getting upset when you say things like "publicly humiliated" and stuff like that. 

You and I have gone laps over differing of opinions on the running of this team, so I hope you don't take this personally.

Its simply an observation after having known you for some time now. 

[iamhubby1]

1 minute ago, chknwing said:

rookie. got me a bottle of Wray & Nephew White rum.  this poo will fug u up.

 

We usually drink Patron. But the liquor store I stopped at didn't have any. You can't always get what you want. And I didn't have time to shop around. And what are you, some sort of Pirate?

[chknwing]

1 minute ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

We usually drink Patron. But the liquor store I stopped at didn't have any. You can't always get what you want. And I didn't have time to shop around. And what are you, some sort of Pirate?

arrrgggg

[TheRed]

 

[Growl]

lol at the mutiny against Josh. He's going to get one shot at a big contract. The whole revisionist whining about "the way he's acted for not bending down to Gettleman #gettleman #gettlemagic #bupbup #weirdobsession" is silly.

If we were going to do this we shouldve done it earlier in the offseason. At this point, keeping an elite player on a great team for one more year wasn't such a bad idea. It honestly comes across as Dave just trying to hardball him and underestimating-again, as he does every free agency period with players around the league- how much interest Josh was going to draw.

[The Huddler]

1 hour ago, Proudiddy said:

Ask your boss for a job, tell all your friends and family how well you did at work and you are negotiating your raise, then go back and tell them all you asked for too much and the company decided to fire you as a result.  Lol...  that's not humiliating?

I hadn't read about the trade stuff, so good points there.  I'm aware he can get paid anywhere, but the sentiment behind my post was that he wanted to be here and we wanted him back.  Yes, we were far apart, but eventually he would've had to come down, especially considering he was already able to negotiate with other teams and apparently that didn't blossom into anything either.  This just seems to be a pride thing...

he couldnt fairly negotiate because of the tag. price would have went way down considering picks would have been given up to get him. today was the only way to see what true market value for josh is

[iamhubby1]

6 minutes ago, chknwing said:

arrrgggg

 

Avast ye matey.

 

[The Huddler]

again, for the record, im a huge fan of josh. i dont blame him in the least for wanting to earn as much as he could, especially considering his 5th round selection

 

posts declaring that josh is over valued or sucks are rediculous. hes a great player. but in the end this move was best for him, and the team. 

[Montsta]

4 minutes ago, Growl said:

lol at the mutiny against Josh. He's going to get one shot at a big contract. The whole revisionist whining about "the way he's acted for not bending down to Gettleman #gettleman #gettlemagic #bupbup #weirdobsession" is silly.

If we were going to do this we shouldve done it earlier in the offseason. At this point, keeping an elite player on a great team for one more year wasn't such a bad idea. It honestly comes across as Dave just trying to hardball him and underestimating-again, as he does every free agency period with players around the league- how much interest Josh was going to draw.

We should just agree that some of us are in the Gettleman camp and so are in the players camp and move forward amicably. It would save 39 pages of back and forth that makes the democrat vs. republican debate seem civil. 

[chknwing]

1 minute ago, Montsta said:

We should just agree that some of us are in the Gettleman camp and so are in the players camp and move forward amicably. It would save 39 pages of back and forth that makes the democrat vs. republican debate seem civil. 

whichever side your on it should be quite obvious a move like this isn't made with out some sort of plan in place, whether it works  or not, wont be seen until fall.

[iamhubby1]

1 minute ago, The Huddler said:

again, for the record, im a huge fan of josh. i dont blame him in the least for wanting to earn as much as he could, especially considering his 5th round selection

 

posts declaring that josh is over valued or sucks are rediculous. hes a great player. but in the end this move was best for him, and the team. 

 

To be fair. The folks saying crap about Josh are the ones you usually ignore anyway. Most level headed folk are just confused as to how this got so far out of control. Josh wasn't going to give in. Gman wasn't going to give in. This was pretty much inevitable. But really, most thought we were going to get one more year out of Josh. So it is a shock. And most people don't react well to shock.