Kony is turned loose.

[Hogmolliesmaht]

7 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Completely different situation, the transition from college to pros as corner is WAY more difficult than a pass rusher.

 

Norman was a 5th round pick, with not a lot expectations who didn't get a lot snaps. Ealy was a 2nd round pick who was praised coming out of college. Ealy also saw a ton snaps his first two seasons. And really hasn't shown consistency 

 DE usually takes about 3 yrs to develop, so Ealy is right on track. The fact that Ealy was drafted earlier than Norman is irrelevant.

[GoobyPls]

15 minutes ago, Hogmolliesmaht said:

 DE usually takes about 3 yrs to develop, so Ealy is right on track. The fact that Ealy was drafted earlier than Norman is irrelevant.

Stud pass rushers usually show sparks their first years IE Peppers, Miller, Smith

 

And draft position matters a ton, early draft picks are always gonna get more opportunities.

[panthers55]

28 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Completely different situation, the transition from college to pros as corner is WAY more difficult than a pass rusher.

 

Norman was a 5th round pick, with not a lot expectations who didn't get a lot snaps. Ealy was a 2nd round pick who was praised coming out of college. Ealy also saw a ton snaps his first two seasons. And really hasn't shown consistency 

What was consistent about them was their resistance to being coached and doing your job on every play within the system. The problems have been between their ears not due to physical limitations. He is playing for a starter role  and to prove he is worth a big contract after 2017. Hopefully like Josh, he gets it.

[SupercaMVP]

I have faith in Ealy.

[GoobyPls]

2 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

What was consistent about them was their resistance to being coached and doing your job on every play within the system. The problems have been between their ears not due to physical limitations. He is playing for a starter role  and to prove he is worth a big contract after 2017. Hopefully like Josh, he gets it.

Hopefully, he did out play CJ last season, but that isn't saying much.

 

Im just not hinging hopes on Ealy until he shows consistency 

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

27 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Stud pass rushers usually show sparks their first years IE Peppers, Miller, Smith

 

And draft position matters a ton, early draft picks are always gonna get more opportunities.

ealy has shown sparks.  he had a sack in three straight games to end his rookie year, a streak of five games with a sack in 2015, and of course we all saw the super bowl.  yes he's inconsistent but i think you're really reaching hard to make it seem like his development is unusually slow or something.

miller and peppers were straight freaks who basically entered the league playing at a pro bowl level so i don't think that's a fair comparison.  there are a bunch of different ways to get to the level of an elite pass rusher and it isn't as if guys that come in setting the league on fire have a ceiling of 30 sacks whereas everyone else maxes out at like 15.  ealy's development seems to be on a curve that's similar to what we saw out of greg hardy before he exploded in 2012 and 2013. 

[GoobyPls]

I'm just not gonna put all my faith in Ealy like others.

 

You say it's unfair to compare Ealy with Peppers, but your comparing him with Hardy a 6th round pick who didn't start a single game his rookie season. And didn't nearly get the same amount of snaps as Ealy. You would think by now Ealy would be further along in his development than a former 6th round pick.

[motocross_cat]

Im not putting all faith in ealy.  

 Im simply saying its his 3rd year and the guts of the Dline are absolutely stacked.  He will be our norman this year.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

11 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

I'm just not gonna put all my faith in Ealy like others.

 

You say it's unfair to compare Ealy with Peppers, but your comparing him with Hardy a 6th round pick who didn't start a single game his rookie season. And didn't nearly get the same amount of snaps as Ealy. You would think by now Ealy would be further along in his development than a former 6th round pick.

sports illustrated projected hardy as the number one overall pick at one point so your pointing out that he was a 6th rounder doesn't do anything for me.

hardy didn't get the same amount of snaps as ealy when?  ealy got 363 snaps as a rookie which was fewer than charles johnson, horton, and addison.  he wasn't a starter by any means if that's what you're trying to imply.  hardy didn't start as a rookie but i doubt he was all the way down the depth chart as the number four DE and even if he was then the comparison is still fair because they'd be equivalent.  i can't find snap counts going back that far but by 2011 i believe hardy was a full time starter opposite charles johnson.  i checked the 2011 roster and we had absolute balls at DE behind CJ and hardy so i'm going to go with that assumption.   ealy got the second most snaps behind kawann short in his second year so the same is true of him plus he actually put up one more sack than hardy did in year two.  he may have had more snaps but the starter designation is more important unless the numbers are way far apart.

so yeah i think it's fair to compare their careers so far.

[panthers55]

10 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

I'm just not gonna put all my faith in Ealy like others.

 

You say it's unfair to compare Ealy with Peppers, but your comparing him with Hardy a 6th round pick who didn't start a single game his rookie season. And didn't nearly get the same amount of snaps as Ealy. You would think by now Ealy would be further along in his development than a former 6th round pick.

Charles Johnson was a third round pick and didn't become a starter until year 4 starting 4 games his first 3 years. Ealy by comparison started  0 his rookie year and 9 games this past year. Seems to me he is well ahead of Johnson's pace at this point.

[GoobyPls]

5 minutes ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

sports illustrated projected hardy as the number one overall pick at one point so your pointing out that he was a 6th rounder doesn't do anything for me.

hardy didn't get the same amount of snaps as ealy when?  ealy got 363 snaps as a rookie which was fewer than charles johnson, horton, and addison.  he wasn't a starter by any means if that's what you're trying to imply.  hardy didn't start as a rookie but i doubt he was all the way down the depth chart as the number four DE and even if he was then the comparison is still fair because they'd be equivalent.  i can't find snap counts going back that far but by 2011 i believe hardy was a full time starter opposite charles johnson.  i checked the 2011 roster and we had absolute balls at DE behind CJ and hardy so i'm going to go with that assumption.   ealy got the second most snaps behind kawann short in his second year so the same is true of him plus he actually put up one more sack than hardy did in year two.  he may have had more snaps but the starter designation is more important unless the numbers are way far apart.

so yeah i think it's fair to compare their careers so far.

So cause one source (SI) says we was he was a first round pick, it must be scripture. Ealy was a projected first rounder by almost every major nfl draft outlet and actually went in the second round.

 

Hardy didn't have Star and Short taking up blockers, Hardy was never benched. Nobody had expectations for Hardy.

 

In the end, until Ealy shows more consistency on the field it would be pretty foolish to hinge your wagon on him.

[Hogmolliesmaht]

3 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

So cause one source (SI) says we was he was a first round pick, it must be scripture. Ealy was a projected first rounder by almost every major nfl draft outlet and actually went in the second round.

 

Hardy didn't have Star and Short taking up blockers, Hardy was never benched. Nobody had expectations for Hardy.

 

In the end, until Ealy shows more consistency on the field it would be pretty foolish to hinge your wagon on him.

You do realize that it was Hardy's personality that made him drop, right? Obviously, they were right about that too. It wasn't just SI that had him ranked as a 1st rounder when he was a junior. Physically, the guy was a stud.

 

[CatMan72]

16 hours ago, Dick the Butcher said:

Not to thread jack, but by the same token, Delaire does, too.  Getts believes in patience, and developing players.  Just because they've played in high school and college doesn't mean they've stopped learning.  We as fans miss that important point.  You can generate talent at the position without drafting or FA signing big name players.  With this rotation, we can build our DEs.  You take what the draft and FA gives you, then you trust your coaches will do their jobs and you draft accordingly.

Yeah, I'm expecting big things from Delaire - how many practice squad guys get 2 sacks in their first game? He did that on raw talent and now he's learned our system and honed his skills. 

[MHS831]

12 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

Putting to much to stock into one game, Ealy is terribly inconsistent.

And so was Hardy and CJ during the first 2 years.  Rucker was not great during his first two years.  Inconsistent?  Nope.  Developing. 

One game?  The Super Bowl was the stage, and he stepped up.  that comment needs to be re-examined.  I feel very confident that he steps it up this year based on that "one game" and progress made before then--you ignored that.

Last year, we had solid pressure from the inside a lot, but Edwards was 35 years old.  He slacked off last year.,  Inside pressure is needed for 4-3 DEs to get sacks.  We will attack in the middle.

I am not sure we add another DE--Miley, Cox, Delaire---one will step up to join Addison, Ealy, and CJ.