Can someone please elaborate on the rules for me

[Eazy-E]

I am trying to understand the intentional grounding call. The penalty is called when the QB throws a ball that does not make it past the LOS and there is no receiver within a certain distance of the pass. I didn't think that it applies when a QB is being hit. There are plenty of times when a QB gets rocked and the ball drops a foot in front of him and it is just counted as an incomplete pass. You can get into the tuck rule and stuff if you really wanted to. Since they called intentional grounding shouldn't the call against Denver have been for a late hit rather than roughing the passer?

[Toolbox]

Yeah there is no sense in this whole scenario.. that fugging head ref was just being a bitch and chose to offset it.

[Eazy-E]

Are there any other examples of the two penalties being called simultaneously? According to NFL rules I didn't think it was possible for those two penalties to be called. I could be wrong though.

[Apotheosis]

I need to watch the replay but the ball was out before the hit. The ref should have called it a helmet to helmet and not roughing the passer.

[Toolbox]

Just now, Apotheosis said:

I need to watch the replay but the ball was out before the hit. The ref should have called it a helmet to helmet and not roughing the passer.

Yeah and the player should have been ejected as well.

[Eazy-E]

2 minutes ago, E CaT PanTHer 2 said:

usually b/c the RB/FB/TE are within the vicinity blocking. As far as intentional grounding being called as the QB is being hit, I agree with you, the rule sucks, especially if I guy is gunning straight for your head. To me, if the defender would have hit Cam lower (aka legal hit), Cam would have definitely been able to get more air under the ball and reach the LOS. 

I've seen times where it has been a fumble / overturned to an incomplete pass with no one around the QB except for defenders and offensive linemen without any penalty called.

[CRA]

9 minutes ago, Eazy-E said:

I am trying to understand the intentional grounding call. The penalty is called when the QB throws a ball that does not make it past the LOS and there is no receiver within a certain distance of the pass. I didn't think that it applies when a QB is being hit. There are plenty of times when a QB gets rocked and the ball drops a foot in front of him and it is just counted as an incomplete pass. You can get into the tuck rule and stuff if you really wanted to. Since they called intentional grounding shouldn't the call against Denver have been for a late hit rather than roughing the passer?

Well his throw was short and was released prior to contact.  So he was short and it was caused because of the anticipation of a hit...not the technical contact.

I get the call.  I disagree with why the NFL lets certain penalties offset.  

That should of been the 4th flag was the biggest issue.  And that ignores the non helmet to helmet blows to the head which QBs get too 

[The Lobo]

3 minutes ago, Eazy-E said:

Are there any other examples of the two penalties being called simultaneously? According to NFL rules I didn't think it was possible for those two penalties to be called. I could be wrong though.

I think I read somewhere that was the first time ever it had been called. I can't recall where it was from.

[Eazy-E]

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

Well his throw was short and was released prior to contact.  So he was short and it was caused because of the anticipation of a hit...not the technical contact.

I get the call.  I disagree with why the NFL lets certain penalties offset.  

That should of been the 4th flag was the biggest issue.  And that ignores the blows to the head which QBs get too 

So isn't now 2 personal fouls results in an ejection, or is it only unsportsmanlike conduct? Is a late hit to the helmet considered unsportsmanlike conduct?

[Snake]

13 minutes ago, Toolbox said:

Yeah and the player should have been ejected as well.

They were to busy ejecting our players for jumping up and down. 

[CRA]

31 minutes ago, Eazy-E said:

So isn't now 2 personal fouls results in an ejection, or is it only unsportsmanlike conduct? Is a late hit to the helmet considered unsportsmanlike conduct?

I need to follow up on the new rules.

but they have to be one of the outlined and specific unsportsmanlike penalties to qualify for the 2 = ejection.

roughing the passer isn't one but taunting is

[usmcpanthers]

I feel like this is bountygate all over again. No proof of $ incentive, but the incentive to hurt Cam is def out there. Plus when the NFL doesnt reprimand...it will only get worse.

[CPantherKing]

1 hour ago, Eazy-E said:

I am trying to understand the intentional grounding call. The penalty is called when the QB throws a ball that does not make it past the LOS and there is no receiver within a certain distance of the pass. I didn't think that it applies when a QB is being hit. There are plenty of times when a QB gets rocked and the ball drops a foot in front of him and it is just counted as an incomplete pass. You can get into the tuck rule and stuff if you really wanted to. Since they called intentional grounding shouldn't the call against Denver have been for a late hit rather than roughing the passer?

If a QB is out of the pocket and a defender hits them during a forward pass causing a significant change in the QBs throwing motion, then the intentional grounding rule does not apply. This is a judgement call by the official. They have to determine if the QBs throwing motion was SIGNIFICANTLY altered by the contact of the defender. They determined the defender did not significantly alter Cam Newton's throwing motion. A lot of the rules are left up to the official's judgement. Nothing is black and white unfortunately.

49 minutes ago, Eazy-E said:

So isn't now 2 personal fouls results in an ejection, or is it only unsportsmanlike conduct? Is a late hit to the helmet considered unsportsmanlike conduct?

Punching, kicking, spitting, using threatening language, and committing a taunting act that creates ill will with the opponent.

So, when defenders start getting in Cam's face, or standing over him, and Cam takes exception to it, that is a penalty. Those were never called on the Broncos with all the taunting they did.

[CPantherKing]

16 minutes ago, usmcpanthers said:

I feel like this is bountygate all over again. No proof of $ incentive, but the incentive to hurt Cam is def out there. Plus when the NFL doesnt reprimand...it will only get worse.

I am sure they are still doing it. Coaches just figured out a way to give them points for it in their weekly evaluation and let them know these points will factor into renegotiating the value of their contract. The Saints got in trouble for paying directly for players that were being targeted each game with a cash value.