More gnashing in New Orleans

[Captain Morgan]

A Number of things I'd like to note as it revolves around yesterday's loss.



1) When Delvin Breaux got hurt his immediate replacement was an UDFA Rookie. Let that sink in. As recently as 2014 we spent a 2nd rounder on a CB(3rd/5th in 2015) and signed at least 3 to contracts yet were still down to UDFA's as immediate replacements.

2) Jairus Byrd = 10mil Cap Hit
Cam Jordan = 5mil Cap Hit
$15 Million Dollars = 5 Tckls and 0 impact plays between them.

3) CJ Spiller = 4mil Cap HIt = inactive because of a #'s game. Returning Kickoffs is something he's excelled at throughout his career and yet we collectively hold our breaths as Murphy receives a kick or punt for the 2nd year in a row.

4) We used the 13th draft pick on a starting LG. Carl Nicks was a 5th rounder

5) Our 31st pick from a year ago Stephone Anthony played less snaps than a waiver wire request in 2015 in Michael Mauti.

6) We used a 2nd round pick on a passrusher with 2 ACL injuries who is out with a 3rd ACL injury.

7) We have $35 million in dead money. Only 1 of those players is currently on the team. Jahri Evans. That equates to 8 different players we no longer have on the team that could have been of use in Sunday's game.

8) John Jenkins all 6'3 350 lbs of him got single blocked by a Center on top of picking the wrong gap that lead to a 70yd TD. A man that's 350lbs who we drafted using a 3rd round pick to be a NT to tie up 2 blockers got single blocked 3 yds off the ball. Let that sink in.

9) Since 2006 we've used 7 draft picks on WR's. Of those 7 only 2 were high draft picks Cooks/Meachem. The rest were lower round picks and yet we've been a top 5-10 passing offense for much of the decade. In that same span we've used 3 draft picks on RB's. Two 1st' and a 4th. 1 of them was a satellite back and the other Ingram. During this 10 year span we haven't had a single 1000 yard rusher and every year we look to improve the running game. Does it not seem like the RB position may be harder to hit on than WR for us and more important thus the need to be looking at RB talent much closer? I mean we kept 6 RB's for christ sakes..........utterly no reason for that.

10) We have 6 RBs on the roster meanwhile only 5 DBs but we are a passing team

11) Wonder if players that would have been taken with the 1st and 2nd rounder from the Bounty debacle would have helped?

12) Since 2012 alone we've made a ton of FA acquisitions/Drafts/ Player transactions. Curtis Lofton, David Hawthorne, Will Herring, Erik Lorig, Corey White, Akiem Hicks, Champ Bailey, Brandon Browner, Jairus Byrd, CJ Spiller, Ben Grubbs, Brodrick Bunkley, Chris Chamberlain, Barrett Rudd, Nick Toon, Andrew Tiller (Still in league) Marcel Jones, Tyrunn Walker, Keenan Lewis, Benjamin Watson, Victor Butler, Rufus Johnson, Kenny Stills, Rafael Bush, Stanley Jean Baptiste, Khari Fortt, Ronald Powell, Tavon Rooks, Vinnie Sunseri, Dannel Ellerbe, Davis Tull, Stephone Anthony, Damian Swann.

I'm not going to even add these guys up but these players are either no longer on the team, under performing, or partaking in roles that don't fit justify their draft position. That's a lot of high profile misses in a 3-4 year span. Bad FA signings, bad resignings, bad draft picks, bad cuts...you name it....its all been bad.




So while we sit here and debate over whether it was the missed field goal, the int, the injury to Breaux, or the refs that cost us Sunday's game the truth is our problems started way before the clock started from 15:00 in the 1st Q of Sundays game.  

 

read the comments here...  http://saintsreport.com/forums/f2/chickens-coming-home-roost-358782/  

Reminds me so much of the Hurney era except for his 1st rd. picks.

 

[PhillyB]

i need to resurface my old troll account on there and put some work in

[csx]

In comparison to many of the responses here that is a well thought out way to voice being unhappy with a team.

[saints4lifeagain]

Those guys get all in a tizzy because they expect too much. If you expect a 7-9 season, you're not shocked when you get a 7-9 season. 

The Breaux injury derailed a very promising start for the defense, but depth is one of the issues this team faces in becoming competetive again. The team is another solid offseason away from competing. I'm not sure what these guys expect.

[nctarheel0619]

3 minutes ago, saints4lifeagain said:

Those guys get all in a tizzy because they expect too much. If you expect a 7-9 season, you're not shocked when you get a 7-9 season. 

The Breaux injury derailed a very promising start for the defense, but depth is one of the issues this team faces in becoming competetive again. The team is another solid offseason away from competing. I'm not sure what these guys expect.

I try to tell every Saints fan they should want to lose, tank and get better Draft position.  Keeping Brees does nothing for your team.  Your defense will be poo for a while, and it has been for a while.

While Brees is good, he can't single handedly win you games when your defense is trash.  Thus, a 7-9 season is what the next two seasons should look like for your team.  

[saints4lifeagain]

Just now, nctarheel0619 said:

I try to tell every Saints fan they should want to lose, tank and get better Draft position.  Keeping Brees does nothing for your team.  Your defense will be poo for a while, and it has been for a while.

While Brees is good, he can't single handedly win you games when your defense is trash.  Thus, a 7-9 season is what the next two seasons should look like for your team.  

I think that's a foolish notion as well. You can draft well, no matter where you're drafting. There's been major overhaul on defense the last couple years. If they can make any improvement over the next couple years, the Saints will be a competetive team. 

[nctarheel0619]

2 minutes ago, saints4lifeagain said:

I think that's a foolish notion as well. You can draft well, no matter where you're drafting. There's been major overhaul on defense the last couple years. If they can make any improvement over the next couple years, the Saints will be a competetive team. 

I just don't see it happening.  Being competitive, and actually winning are two different things.  Drafting high could get you a QB for the foreseeable future after Brees.  And that's what all Saints fans should want, correct?  

[uncfan888]

This division will be Panthers and bucs for a while 

[saints4lifeagain]

6 minutes ago, nctarheel0619 said:

I just don't see it happening.  Being competitive, and actually winning are two different things.  Drafting high could get you a QB for the foreseeable future after Brees.  And that's what all Saints fans should want, correct?  

Drafting high could get us a QB of the future. It could get us Alex Smith or Matt Ryan. You worry about life after a HOF QB after said QB leaves. If you have a chance to add a QB while he's still there, sure. But you don't get rid of a HOF QB because he's not letting you lose enough. That's absolutely absurd, to me. 

The Saints need to continue trying to work on the defense. 

[Cat]

Fun read.  However the refs fuged them on Sunday. That game should have been over but the call on 4th down that put the Raiders at the goal to score the last TD was a complete screw job. 

[Darth Biscuit]

2 minutes ago, Cat said:

Fun read.  However the refs fuged them on Sunday. That game should have been over but the call on 4th down that put the Raiders at the goal to score the last TD was a complete screw job. 

I was watching that (albeit on Red Zone) and don't recall... got a video?

 

[saints4lifeagain]

2 minutes ago, Cat said:

Fun read.  However the refs fuged them on Sunday. That game should have been over but the call on 4th down that put the Raiders at the goal to score the last TD was a complete screw job. 

The call was terrible. But giving up 22 points in the 4th quarter is why we lost. After the call, they still gave up a TD. All they had to do to get the W was stop the 2 point conversion. 

On top of that, poor clock management earlier in the half led to us having to try to get into field goal range with 40 seconds left and no time outs. They did a great job, but 1 more time out and we get another 10 yards for the kick and it's 51 instead of 61. 

Refs make mistakes. You shouldn't leave it in their hands.

[saints4lifeagain]

3 minutes ago, Darth Biscuit said:

I was watching that (albeit on Red Zone) and don't recall... got a video?

 

http://saintsreport.com/forums/f2/video-pi-call-4th-horrible-call-358760/#.V9hDv3Qo7qA

[Cat]

13 minutes ago, Darth Biscuit said:

I was watching that (albeit on Red Zone) and don't recall... got a video?

 

nah but here is an article on it. 

not only was there little contact it was over thrown (unteachable).

http://www.theadvocate.com/new_orleans/sports/saints/article_e7ef965e-7864-11e6-ba38-fb4f86428b0c.html