What is Wrong with the Offense you ask?

[CPcavedweller]

1 hour ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Are the QB's forced to throw to KB or are they choosing to do so. 

When two different QB's are looking to KB as their first option, I would blame play design. DA has historically had a better rapport with Funchess than Cam yet DA's first look was almost always to KB. The issue is that once you take that first option away and roll coverage to the side of the field with Olsen, the pass rush is likely to get home as Cam holds on to the ball to wait for those two far too long. 

[CPcavedweller]

1 hour ago, usmcpanthers said:

The problem is situational playing call and not adjusting to what the opponent gives us. The other part is failure to execute basic fundamentals.

Go on....

Okay, I will for you: Situational play calling has been a microcosm of Ron Rivera going back to 2011 and 2012 when we gave up far too many leads by playing soft defense. Not taking what the opponent gives you is an element Shula is far too familiar with as he rarely changes play calls based on opponent, he simply runs the same plays and hopes that the defense we are playing against has failed to piece together his puzzle. 

As for the execution of basic fundamentals, you lost me. Offensive line technique is something i'm unfamiliar with. 

[CPcavedweller]

1 hour ago, csx said:

I suppose its bad to gear your offense to your 2 best weapons? 

Not long ago the issue was not getting the ball to KB or Olsen here.

You make the assumption that KB is the best offensive weapon. I'm not going to argue with utilizing Olsen because he is a weapon however Shula is failing this offense by foregoing the ability to make Funchess a proverbial cash cow. With KB getting as many looks as he does, it doesn't translate to offensive success. Last season when Funchess got going, the offense was far more reliable than at any point in 22 games with Benjamin. 

[csx]

Post hoc ergo propter hoc

[usmcpanthers]

4 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

Go on....

Okay, I will for you: Situational play calling has been a microcosm of Ron Rivera going back to 2011 and 2012 when we gave up far too many leads by playing soft defense. Not taking what the opponent gives you is an element Shula is far too familiar with as he rarely changes play calls based on opponent, he simply runs the same plays and hopes that the defense we are playing against has failed to piece together his puzzle. 

As for the execution of basic fundamentals, you lost me. Offensive line technique is something i'm unfamiliar with. 

I agree on what you say. 

 

For the lack of basic oline fundamentals.....just browse through the 1st page of threads on the forum. Many gifs of missed blocking assignments for proof.

[nosuchthingasapanther]

1 hour ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Are the QB's forced to throw to KB or are they choosing to do so. 

at some point, people will realize that the offensive coordinator doesn't dictate who gets the ball.

[csx]

2 minutes ago, nosuchthingasapanther said:

at some point, people will realize that the offensive coordinator doesn't dictate who gets the ball.

I doubt it.

[philit99]

2 hours ago, CPcavedweller said:

Shula, Benjamin and Olsen. There is a love fest between Shula and those two and I believe the progressions move from Benji, to Olsen, to the slot, to Funchess. In two WR sets the wide receivers are usually Benjamin and Philly or Ginn. It is obvious when Funchess is actually targeted that he is one of if not the best pure receiver on the team due to his athleticism and ability to use his soft hands in one motion. 

I personally blame Shula for the lack of Fun in the offense and I believe that Funchess is generally the last target. The QB hasn't had time to get beyond his second option. They aren't making the correct pre-snap reads and moving off of Benjamin or Olsen near fast enough to get to Funchess's spot in the progression. Anyone who knows football, and professional football in particular, it isn't as simple as "he sucks" or "he slow". He had a solid rookie year, Cam had an MVP season, Olsen was one of the best in the game at his position, Stew was healthy, and Benjamin was injured. 

The only thing that has changed with the offense is that Stew isn't healthy and Benjamin is. The two seasons that KB has played, we have started slow on offense and Cam clearly uses him as a crutch, or so I thought until last night. The entire offense is built around a relatively slow receiver which leads to slow developing plays which leads to our QB's missing other open receivers and getting their clock's cleaned. 

Thank you for taking the time to read this and understanding this situation a little better.

In a nutshell, Shula has tailored this offense to the wrong player. 

In a nutshell when you can not successfully run the ball, you lose. There is a balance and without Stewart and Cam we have no running game. If you are going to comment, please educate yourself on playbook design and why we were so successful last year. Here is a clue, "run game".

[CPcavedweller]

14 minutes ago, nosuchthingasapanther said:

at some point, people will realize that the offensive coordinator doesn't dictate who gets the ball.

So a play designed by the coordinator to go to a receiver running X route based on Y and Z routes going one way and the RB and offensive line blocking another isn't the fault of the coordinator?

Okay....

There is always talk of 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th options for a reason. Play's ARE DESIGNED to go to certain players and when a QB fails to make an adjustment pre-snap, it falls on them. Poor play calling and play design in the passing game have been staples of the Shula era and to deny that is to say that you haven't seen the deficiency's in the offense when a "true number 1" such as Steve Smith or KB is in the offense. 

Without the alleged two best receivers Cam has had available to him, he had his best season.

That is no coincidence. 

[CPcavedweller]

7 minutes ago, philit99 said:

In a nutshell when you can not successfully run the ball, you lose. There is a balance and without Stewart and Cam we have no running game. If you are going to comment, please educate yourself on playbook design and why we were so successful last year. Here is a clue, "run game".

Right. There is also a thing available to you called "the entire field". We can't run the ball because defenses stack the box which would theoretically leave the passing game more open than it had been last season, however that hasn't been the case. As evidenced by Monday's game, when the box isn't stacked, we can run the ball well enough. The lack of running game isn't an indictment on the inefficiencies present in the offense. 

A defense has two do three things to stop us:

1. Keep an extra man in the box
2. Roll coverage to Olsen
3. Roll coverage to KB

The QB is waiting too long for KB or Olsen to come open, foregoing their opportunity to see a third option come open and are forced to check the ball down or tuck and run. When the extra man is in the box, the QB often sits in the pocked as opposed to running, so that extra man often has the check down covered and a section of that half of the field covered. 

It's basic and has nothing to do with a failure to run the ball successfully. 

[csx]

4 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

So a play designed by the coordinator to go to a receiver running X route based on Y and Z routes going one way and the RB and offensive line blocking another isn't the fault of the coordinator?

Okay....

There is always talk of 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th options for a reason. Play's ARE DESIGNED to go to certain players and when a QB fails to make an adjustment pre-snap, it falls on them. Poor play calling and play design in the passing game have been staples of the Shula era and to deny that is to say that you haven't seen the deficiency's in the offense when a "true number 1" such as Steve Smith or KB is in the offense. 

Without the alleged two best receivers Cam has had available to him, he had his best season.

That is no coincidence. 

This would have some merit if you could show 2 things. You need to know who the primary is on every play and show that its only going to the primary and that is not Funchess.  How do you know who the primary is? Then on top of that if the primary is always KB or whoever and the ball is being forced unsuccessfully then its on the QB to make better decisions. 

Its impossible for you to say its play design without knowing what the play design is.

[iamhubby1]

27 minutes ago, nosuchthingasapanther said:

at some point, people will realize that the offensive coordinator doesn't dictate who gets the ball.

 

While it is true that there are routes that have primary reads. Slants, and screens, are two types of those. But...the vast majority of pass plays have multiple options. It IS up to the QB to find the best option. That is where we are getting ourselves in trouble.

 

Staring down receivers doesn't work in college very well. Doing so is the NFL is a recipe for disaster.

[philit99]

13 minutes ago, CPcavedweller said:

Right. There is also a thing available to you called "the entire field". We can't run the ball because defenses stack the box which would theoretically leave the passing game more open than it had been last season, however that hasn't been the case. As evidenced by Monday's game, when the box isn't stacked, we can run the ball well enough. The lack of running game isn't an indictment on the inefficiencies present in the offense. 

A defense has two do three things to stop us:

1. Keep an extra man in the box
2. Roll coverage to Olsen
3. Roll coverage to KB

The QB is waiting too long for KB or Olsen to come open, foregoing their opportunity to see a third option come open and are forced to check the ball down or tuck and run. When the extra man is in the box, the QB often sits in the pocked as opposed to running, so that extra man often has the check down covered and a section of that half of the field covered. 

It's basic and has nothing to do with a failure to run the ball successfully. 

The point I am making is that teams are not afraid of our running game this year. That puts the "eighth man in the box" back in coverage. Cam Newton will not be able to run forever, and if his legs give out and he is making poor QB decisions placing the ball this team in serious trouble moving forward, not just this year. We need a sturdy run game, preferably a back with blocking skills to achieve an offensive balance. Right now the balance is off. I don't like it but a healthy Stewart will help us tremendously. The problem is Stewart is never healthy.

[BigBoss]

Player execution and it's not even close. 2nd in the league in penalties and first in the league in turnovers. Not exactly Shula's fault, though he isn't perfect. But we had 400 yards of offense Monday. Player execution


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