Antwan Odom only had 2 tackles. He's trash...

[Dpantherman]

Ok then this isn't intended for you.

it took long enough. but im glad we are on the same page. lets save this built up tension for the cowgirls. i want the panthers to beat their A$% soo bad.

[CRA]

why focus on a game that means nothing? When was the last game that mattered that peppers stepped up in. Im not bashing him, im stating the obvious. his first two weeks were not as good as Odoms. Thats what i said. and its the truth. nothing u can say will change that. Ill give him all the credit in the world when he deserves it. he does NOT deserve anything right now.

week 1 Peppers was the defense....Odom couldn't and didn't have that type of influence on the play on the field. Not Peppers' fault what the offense did and the points given up. Watch a play by play of week 1 and actually watch what Peppers did on each snap and what occurs on the field. He was every bit worth the money.....too bad everyone else didn't earn the paychecks.

Go back and watch week 2....watch Pep each down and watch the play calls by Atlanta.....they geared there offense with Peppers in mind. Too bad nobody else steps up when a team clearly is concerned and takes a guy out of the game.

There is a reason he so called earned his money a few years ago....there were other playmakers on the field for teams to worry about up front. Any good team should be able to limit what Peppers can do and take away his impact to a large degree. In a John Fox defense you need legit playmakers up front...b/c players aren't going to be put into position to make big plays for the most part.

Plus, comparing the Bengals DC to Meeks is laughable. That was a great hire by Cincy last year and they improved last year and are taking another step this year.

[MemphisGambler]

No, f**k that game. This is a what have you done for me now lately league. He only had 2 tackles this week. He is definately trash.

The Steelers were putting in an extra O-line man on his side to slow him down. He is a ball player although 2 games don't make him a Pro Bowler.

[bleys]

week 1 Peppers was the defense....Odom couldn't and didn't have that type of influence on the play on the field. Not Peppers' fault what the offense did and the points given up. Watch a play by play of week 1 and actually watch what Peppers did on each snap and what occurs on the field. He was every bit worth the money.....too bad everyone else didn't earn the paychecks.

Go back and watch week 2....watch Pep each down and watch the play calls by Atlanta.....they geared there offense with Peppers in mind. Too bad nobody else steps up when a team clearly is concerned and takes a guy out of the game.

There is a reason he so called earned his money a few years ago....there were other playmakers on the field for teams to worry about up front. Any good team should be able to limit what Peppers can do and take away his impact to a large degree. In a John Fox defense you need legit playmakers up front...b/c players aren't going to be put into position to make big plays for the most part.

Plus, comparing the Bengals DC to Meeks is laughable. That was a great hire by Cincy last year and they improved last year and are taking another step this year.

It's just entirely too easy to bash the guy. I just like to see a little consistency. And people saying Pep was non-existent in game 1 is laughable..

And that seems to be the generic sentiment both on here and in the media...

[jramsey4]

Given the Salary differnece I still would rather have Odom's inconsistency as opposed to Pep. As Pep is making 13 million more then him.

[PanthersPhan18]

Rep 4 you Cat.

[ClawOn]

The urgency to defend Peppers is baffling. His salary cap number crippled your team's ability to sign depth at critical positions. He does not want to play for your team. He will be gone next year. His expectations are not different than the expectations for players being paid similarly:

Carson Palmer, Cin $16.166M

Eli Manning, NYG $15.285M

Nnamdi Asomugha, Oak $15.155

Ben Roethlisberger, Pit $14.664M

Peyton Manning, Ind. $14M

Comparing him to a DE making 1/5th his salary is not a relevant argument. The NFL has a salary cap, and when a high percentage of your salary cap is devoted to a single player then that player is most certainly expected to perform at a high level EVERY week. I can assure you that Palmer and Eli are not given passes for bad games.

[carolinanimal]

but if said player has a bad game, what are you going to do. no player in the nfl has great games every game. even the ones you listed have bad games every once and while maybe more. remember the FO decided to franchise him. money does not equal performance, remember that dt the raiders signed to that huge contract. does that mean he has to play a a probowl level. no, just means that have a stupid fo!

[2plankingpanther]

The urgency to defend Peppers is baffling. His salary cap number crippled your team's ability to sign depth at critical positions. He does not want to play for your team. He will be gone next year. His expectations are not different than the expectations for players being paid similarly:

Carson Palmer, Cin $16.166M

Eli Manning, NYG $15.285M

Nnamdi Asomugha, Oak $15.155

Ben Roethlisberger, Pit $14.664M

Peyton Manning, Ind. $14M

Comparing him to a DE making 1/5th his salary is not a relevant argument. The NFL has a salary cap, and when a high percentage of your salary cap is devoted to a single player then that player is most certainly expected to perform at a high level EVERY week. I can assure you that Palmer and Eli are not given passes for bad games.

Let's see,P Manning-$14M J Peppers-almost $17M,close to $19M if he goes to the probowl,who do you think is actually earning his money,yeah,that's what I thought too!

[Zaximus]

The urgency to defend Peppers is baffling. His salary cap number crippled your team's ability to sign depth at critical positions. He does not want to play for your team. He will be gone next year. His expectations are not different than the expectations for players being paid similarly:

Carson Palmer, Cin $16.166M

Eli Manning, NYG $15.285M

Nnamdi Asomugha, Oak $15.155

Ben Roethlisberger, Pit $14.664M

Peyton Manning, Ind. $14M

Comparing him to a DE making 1/5th his salary is not a relevant argument. The NFL has a salary cap, and when a high percentage of your salary cap is devoted to a single player then that player is most certainly expected to perform at a high level EVERY week. I can assure you that Palmer and Eli are not given passes for bad games.

Good post.

The fact is, Panthers fans don't demand results, we're fine with whatever the good ole' boys do out there. That's our mentality. The ones of us that want results, figured out that Peppers over-rated when his line help went away (Rucker/Jenkins) and he became ordinary with single blocking and all of that. We can't do anything now but ride the wave unfortunately.

[CatfanMO]

moved to smack.

[CRA]

Good post.

The fact is, Panthers fans don't demand results, we're fine with whatever the good ole' boys do out there. That's our mentality. The ones of us that want results, figured out that Peppers over-rated when his line help went away (Rucker/Jenkins) and he became ordinary with single blocking and all of that. We can't do anything now but ride the wave unfortunately.

but Peppers isn't ordinary....put any stud DE on a crap line that prefers to rush the front in a 4-3 and there job becomes impossible to live up to expectations.

[goodlay]

Peppers isn't trash, but he sure isn't a top tier DE. When has Peppers ever stepped up in a big regular season game, or a playoff game? Where was he last year against Mike Gandy in the playoffs? Oh, and Dwight Freeney completely dominated Gandy last night if anyone noticed. Peppers two biggest games last year were against Oakland and Detroit. I expect more of the same from Peppers tonight in Dallas, I'll eat my words if he explodes, but knowing Peppers, he won't show up tonight in a big game setting.

[CRA]

Peppers isn't trash, but he sure isn't a top tier DE. When has Peppers ever stepped up in a big regular season game, or a playoff game? Where was he last year against Mike Gandy in the playoffs? Oh, and Dwight Freeney completely dominated Gandy last night if anyone noticed. Peppers two biggest games last year were against Oakland and Detroit. I expect more of the same from Peppers tonight in Dallas, I'll eat my words if he explodes, but knowing Peppers, he won't show up tonight in a big game setting.

again, compare the rest of the DL in Indy minus Freeney to the DL in Carolina minus Peppers. Did you watch the game? Plenty of pressure was generated by guys NOT named Freeney.....that makes a huge difference.

you will eat your words if he has a good game tonight? what about the next week? are you gonna jump back off and flip flop every week?