What if Adams and Fournette both make it to 8, who do you choose?

[L-TownCat]

2 hours ago, panther4life said:

I think Shula is somewhat of an enigma and I don't know how much of his playbook, offensive style, playcalling, etc. is dictated by Ron. 

2013- Was anybody complaining about Shula? I remember it being stoic Ron until he found his riverboat ways.

2014- Byron Bell and Nate Chandler as your bookend tackles. The o-line was such a disaster that year even David Focualt saw over 100 snaps at tackle. Plus we shuffled around with Amini and Velasco at left guard. The receiving core over went an entire overhaul. That receiving core was such poo that only Benjamin and Bersin remain. 

2015- Gettleman finally finds a solution to the o-line and brings Ginn back. Somehow Shula with the help of Cam made Ginn relevant and the number 1 receiver on a team that set offensive records. 

2016- O-line goes back to poo and everyone wants to solely blame Shula. 

Is Shula without blame? No its a team effort. But I'd argue Gettleman has caused the offense more harm than Shula has over the years.

If you give Shula a break for the play design and situational awareness, then you must afford the GM a break for cap dollars and available FA pool.

[panther4life]

13 minutes ago, L-TownCat said:

If you give Shula a break for the play design and situational awareness, then you must afford the GM a break for cap dollars and available FA pool.

I can blow a hole right through that excuse for Gettleman and I would do a long write up if I believed there's more than a 2% chance you'd change your stance on the matter but you won't. So best to agree to disagree and move on at this point.

[TheSpecialJuan]

David Newton thinks we're taking OJ Howard at #8.

[LinvilleGorge]

23 minutes ago, L-TownCat said:

If you give Shula a break for the play design and situational awareness, then you must afford the GM a break for cap dollars and available FA pool.

 

9 minutes ago, panther4life said:

I can blow a hole right through that excuse for Gettleman and I would do a long write up if I believed there's more than a 2% chance you'd change your stance on the matter but you won't. So best to agree to disagree and move on at this point.

What if I told you that both of you have valid points? Gettleman is certainly not above criticism for some of the rosters he's put together and the roster has little do do with Shula's complete inability to adapt.

[Davidson Deac II]

I would probably go offense/Fournette, because with Ginn gone, and both Stewart and Olsen getting older, we really do need some playmakers..  But if they are both as good as advertised, then either would be acceptable.   

[L-TownCat]

23 minutes ago, panther4life said:

I can blow a hole right through that excuse for Gettleman and I would do a long write up if I believed there's more than a 2% chance you'd change your stance on the matter but you won't. So best to agree to disagree and move on at this point.

It's not like I'm here to convert you to my ideas.

I think the GM was hamstrung by circumstance and a commitment to his philosophy and you think the OC was hamstrung by the GM.

No need to disagree at all.  We just have differing ideas on the root problem.

[L-TownCat]

15 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

 

What if I told you that both of you have valid points? Gettleman is certainly not above criticism for some of the rosters he's put together and the roster has little do do with Shula's complete inability to adapt.

That's kinda my view on it too.  Not to place sole blame on any single issue.

G-man made some questionable decisions, one of which (imo) is letting RR stick with the same staff.

[h0llywood]

How many safeties in the NFL can we name as a top 10-20 player in the past 5 years? 

The chances are slim that Adams becomes a top 10 player whereas the chances are more favorable for Fournette.

Go with the choice that gives you the best odds.

[h0llywood]

Report just came out that Jags are looking at drafting Fournette. Hope it's wrong

[panther4life]

22 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

 

What if I told you that both of you have valid points? Gettleman is certainly not above criticism for some of the rosters he's put together and the roster has little do do with Shula's complete inability to adapt.

I have seen Shula have the leagues best offense with Tedd Ginn Jr. as the number 1 receiver. As crazy as it sounds Philly Brown was 2nd in snap counts that year.

Yes he has Cam and thank God he does. But If I am not mistaking Derek Anderson has a winning record as a starter as well too under Shula.

One thing is for sure. Shula can not overcome the likes of Byron Bell and Mike Remmers as his starting LT'S, especially when the rest of the line is down to 3rd and 4th stringers at times and or when the entire receiving core is replaced in one offseason and still have a good offense.  Some of the best defensive minds struggled with the lack of talent on D last year and brand a new secondary. 

If Gettleman really feels Shula is holding us back more so than the roster's he's putting on the field then he would be putting his own job in jeopardy and thats insulting his intelligence to think he'd be willing to stick his neck on the line for him. 

I just get tired of the double standard's around here.

"Well our offensive line sucked because we have no cap room".

"Our offensive line sucked because of Injuries".

If those excuses are good for Gettleman then they should be good for Shula too.

 

 

 

[LinvilleGorge]

Don't even try to bring up the record with DA. .500 (2-2) isn't a winning record and the two wins were both against the Bucs when they were the worst team in football. 

 

 

[Nails]

14 minutes ago, h0llywood said:

Report just came out that Jags are looking at drafting Fournette. Hope it's wrong

Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear regarding the NFL draft this time of year.  Allen/Thomas/Hooker/QB/other are just as likely for them at 4.

I really hope Fournette is there and would be ecstatic but have warmed up to Adams.  I still believe at the end of the day our pick is Barnett.  The most disruptive 3 years for a DE in SEC History is plenty enough for GMan even if it's not for the huddle.  He takes it and runs at 8 IMO.

[Nails]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Don't even try to bring up the record with DA. .500 (2-2) isn't a winning record and the two wins were both against the Bucs when they were the worst team in football. 

 

 

Josh Dobbs on day 3.  C-Ya DA.

[LinvilleGorge]

I wouldn't be opposed to moving on from DA as our backup, but I doubt it happens. We're comfortable with what he brings to the table, he and Cam work well together, and he's happy being a backup. The guy is massively overrated by the Huddle. To hear Huddlers talk about the guy, you'd think he'd be an All-Pro starter if he wasn't stuck behind Cam. In reality, he's an okay backup. Nothing more, nothing less.