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So If Fournette Is The Pick In The First Round....

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Life post selecting Leonard Fournette #8, #2 or wherever it may be. 

What does Shula do calling plays Sunday? Even more Read Option plays for Cam and the new RB than in past years?

Can Shula resist the temptation to beat his opponents Sundays not by play design but based on the belief physically his players are superior to the defense? The toll on Cam Newton be damned? 

Could Leonard Fournette be the worst possible pick for Cam Newton's longevity moving forward?

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We become even more conservative.  We select Fournette to reduce Cams running so now we run Fournette on 1st and 2nd and Cam ends up in 3rd and long a lot and still gets sacked.

At the same time Brady is winning Super Bowls without the proverbial "3 down elite back" and he is taking less punishment.

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56 minutes ago, Kevin Greene said:

Life post selecting Leonard Fournette #8, #2 or wherever it may be. 

What does Shula do calling plays Sunday? Even more Read Option plays for Cam and the new RB than in past years?

Can Shula resist the temptation to beat his opponents Sundays not by play design but based on the belief physically his players are superior to the defense? The toll on Cam Newton be damned? 

Could Leonard Fournette be the worst possible pick for Cam Newton's longevity moving forward?

I think he's the best possible pick with Cams long term future in mind. Get a running back that can take all the carries away from Cam.

@Kevin Greene do you remember my old topic about how we needed to stop running Cam back from 2013, it was like 30 pages before it was deleted because it turned pretty nasty. But my point then still holds true, if we continue to run our franchise QB we are flirting with disaster. We need a franchise running back to take the not only the presssure off Cam, but the carries away from him too. And I believe that Fournette is the answer to that problem. So honestly I would have no problem trading our entire draft this year if it meant we get Fournette because we I honestly believe his short and long term impact would be tremendous. 

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18 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

We become even more conservative.  We select Fournette to reduce Cams running so now we run Fournette on 1st and 2nd and Cam ends up in 3rd and long a lot and still gets sacked.

At the same time Brady is winning Super Bowls without the proverbial "3 down elite back" and he is taking less punishment.

You can't compare our system to the patriots, several teams in the NFL have tried to imitate it over the years and have fail miserably. Them

having the best QB and Coach in the history of the NFL coupled with one of the worst divisions in the NFL over the same time has more to do with the patriots continued success than anything else.

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4 minutes ago, Doc Holiday said:

You can't compare our system to the patriots, several teams in the NFL have tried to imitate it over the years and have fail miserably. Them

having the best QB and Coach in the history of the NFL coupled with one of the worst divisions in the NFL over the same time has more to do with the patriots continued success than anything else.

I really wasn't trying to compare us to the Patriots, it was more of a reference to this idea that you protect your QB more by running the ball.

You protect your QB by staying out of predictable throwing situations.  I have this fear that if we draft Fournette we will become more conservative and predictable.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

I really wasn't trying to compare us to the Patriots, it was more of a reference to this idea that you protect your QB more by running the ball.

You protect your QB by staying out of predictable throwing situations.  I have this fear that if we draft Fournette we will become more conservative and predictable.

 

 

Its not an idea, its factual its something that has been long proven to work, just watch the 2008 panthers for the last time we used this to great effect, jake was terrible that year, but we still ended up the 2 seed in the NFC because of Stew and Williams. Or for a much more recent reference the 2016 cowboys, Prescott isnt half the player he was last year without Elliot and a lot of teams have taken notice.

Its why there is a bidding war for Fournette, do you think teams would be considering throwing away their entire draft for something that doesn't work? hardly, if anything I consider a solid running game a much more predicable and reliable method of QB protection.

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18 minutes ago, SeoulPanther said:

Those who buy this hyperbole about the 'generational talent' before he's even played an NFL down cannot conceive that anything could possibly go wrong with this selection. Even though I don't agree with them I hope that they are right.

Heck any player could turn into a bust, there are no sure things in the NFL.  I'll take my chances with Fournette though

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Shula gonna Shula regardless. I think if nothing else he's proven he's not gonna adjust to his personnel. If we were to draft McCaffrey he'd be running up the middle for 1 yard losses as much as anything else. Better to get another guy like Cam that is talented enough to compensate for OC incompetence. 

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5 hours ago, Doc Holiday said:

Heck any player could turn into a bust, there are no sure things in the NFL.  I'll take my chances with Fournette though

   That's true and its fair enough. Hell, I hope we draft Fournette just cos I'm curious to see if hes a fraction of the player some people say. Unquestionably his combination of weight and speed is impressive. Barring injury he has all the tools to do well. I just find 'generational' a bit excessive. I consider generational players to be like LT and Walter Payton. Not just good but legendary. It's a title to confer on someone after their career not before.

 It's just funny to me that people can get so locked into their 'prospect' that the projection turns into off-the-chart platitudes. I worry about the likes of Sanjay if this draft doesn't work out for him....

 

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