Analysis: Beyond The Completion Percentage - Why Carolina's Scheme And Weapons Made Life Hard For Cam

[Hogmolliesmaht]

1 minute ago, TheRed said:

Why do we still have mouth breathers here talking about how Cam never throws short passes?

Our offense is running the football, and throwing it downfield. We are not a dink and dunk offense.

Nobody is saying he never throws short passes, but if you think he doesn't pass up shorter routes for the longer ones' a lot of times then you're simply not paying attention.

[Saca312]

2 minutes ago, Hogmolliesmaht said:

Nobody is saying he never throws short passes, but if you think he doesn't pass up shorter routes for the longer ones' a lot of times then you're simply not paying attention.

Coming from the guy who thought we ran the same playcalls with DA as we do Cam, I really don't see how you have any right to say @TheRed doesn't pay attention.

[TheRed]

Just now, Hogmolliesmaht said:

Nobody is saying he never throws short passes, but if you think he doesn't pass up shorter routes for the longer ones' a lot of times then you're simply not paying attention.

More often than not in 2016 our offense was in disadvantageous situations, we struggled to get the run game going, and that set us up for some rough 3rd downs. We were not going to win games throwing short dump offs last year. Cam looked for the big play more as a result. This is incredibly easy to comprehend, I think you're simply not paying attention, learn from your own words.

[Saca312]

13 minutes ago, falconidae said:

 

Again, same players, same OC, Anderson has a 68% comp rate for the year. You going to tell me those same plays aren't available to Cam?

 

Nope. If you watched the game, you'd see a different style of playcalling that I already alluded to above.

13 minutes ago, falconidae said:

What does that have to do with Cam?

 

You seem very fast to blame the QB rather than the OC. Just wondering if it's the same with that particular play. 

I'll lay it out below:

In the GIF, Brandon Flowers of the Patriots murdered Matt Ryan in what would be a critical play of the Superbowl. Matt Ryan would step back further than normal and hold the ball longer than normal, indicating he was hoping for a deep pass instead of a safe play.

Believe it or not, he had enough time to make a quick progression and understand he would be facing a blitz. He had an outlet receiver wide open for the most part.

Unfortunately, Matt Ryan didn't look Freeman's way. Shanahan had a safe option ready to fire, but Matt Ryan botched it. A short dump off to Freeman would've gained a safe 1-2 yards or more, but Matt Ryan did not go his way. Right at this point the ball should've been in the air going right in Freeman's hands.

Thus, the result was a sack. Shanahan didn't call a run play - which everyone seems to think he should've called - due to the fact that the run game before was getting stuffed. Shanahan opted for a safe play with an opportunity to turn it into a deep play since he knew the run game was doing nothing. 

In this playcall, there was virtually no excuse for Matt Ryan to get sacked with the look the Patriots defense gave and how he had an outlet receiver to go to.

Matt Ryan didn't go for the short and easy play even when he could see an obvious blitz was coming, and held the ball longer than he usually does. That isn't on Shanahan; that's on Matt Ryan for his decision making.

Matt Ryan was a key reason you lost the Superbowl.

[GoobyPls]

Are you just gonna keep copying and pasting the same article over and over again? This is like the 5th time you made this thread. Cam had a bad year plain and simple, and of course it wasn't all his fault. Gettleman didn't do squat the last offseason to help him.

 

Also this idiot Falcons fans keeps asking why didn't Cam take more check downs, to who was he gonna throw these check downs to??? Stewart is the worst receiving back in the NFL by far.

[Hogmolliesmaht]

14 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

Coming from the guy who thought we ran the same playcalls with DA as we do Cam, I really don't see how you have any right to say @TheRed doesn't pay attention.

I didn't say we ran the same plays with Anderson. I said that those plays are obviously a part of Shula's system, which is constantly being trashed and blamed for all offensive problems on this board. I also asked whether Cam is involved in the game planning and play calling. If he's not, then you're 100% right and RR/Shula are wasting everybody's time. If he is, then the problems last year were on him just as much as the coaching staff. I'm inclined to believe the latter because I refuse to believe that RR would have gone all in on Cam and then not ever let him have any say in  the game planning and play calling. That would make no sense whatsoever.

[Hogmolliesmaht]

Just FTR, I hate to be on the same side as any stinking Falcons fan but I will call it like I see it instead of blindly following the crowd like most people.

[Lumps]

The whole offense played like poo last year. Can played like poo as well, plenty of throws and open receivers he misread. He regressed. So did the whole offense. Everyone, including Can, needs to get better and work harder.

 

Shula on the other hand is completely incompetent and I have no clue why he is still here.

[Bytes]

4 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

Nope. If you watched the game, you'd see a different style of playcalling that I already alluded to above.

You seem very fast to blame the QB rather than the OC. Just wondering if it's the same with that particular play. 

I'll lay it out below:

In the GIF, Brandon Flowers of the Patriots murdered Matt Ryan in what would be a critical play of the Superbowl. Matt Ryan would step back further than normal and hold the ball longer than normal, indicating he was hoping for a deep pass instead of a safe play.

Believe it or not, he had enough time to make a quick progression and understand he would be facing a blitz. He had an outlet receiver wide open for the most part.

Unfortunately, Matt Ryan didn't look Freeman's way. Shanahan had a safe option ready to fire, but Matt Ryan botched it. A short dump off to Freeman would've gained a safe 1-2 yards or more, but Matt Ryan did not go his way. Right at this point the ball should've been in the air going right in Freeman's hands.

Thus, the result was a sack. Shanahan didn't call a run play - which everyone seems to think he should've called - due to the fact that the run game before was getting stuffed. Shanahan opted for a safe play with an opportunity to turn it into a deep play since he knew the run game was doing nothing. 

In this playcall, there was virtually no excuse for Matt Ryan to get sacked with the look the Patriots defense gave and how he had an outlet receiver to go to.

Matt Ryan didn't go for the short and easy play even when he could see an obvious blitz was coming, and held the ball longer than he usually does. That isn't on Shanahan; that's on Matt Ryan for his decision making.

Matt Ryan was a key reason you lost the Superbowl.

Nope. No objective person would agree with that. Matt Ryan had 74 % completion rate. + 12 yards per attempt with a QB Rating of 144. The defense lost that game.... and coaching. You pulling out one play to colour a game is silly. 

The fact of the matter is Cam is a great duel threat QB but is a mediocre passer at best. His best completion completion in his career is 58.4. By comparison since you put Ryan in this conversation Matt Ryan worse completion rating year is better than 5 out of 6 years of Cam's career. 6 YEARS!. At some point you are what your stats say you are. 

Bottom line is Cam has to develop into a more accurate passer. BTW his footwork when passing is TERRIBLE BTW. 

[Snake]

1 hour ago, Hogmolliesmaht said:

Tom Brady has played behind makeshift lines, with mediocre WR's, and has gone through plenty of OC's who left the Patriots and failed elsewhere and he has never had a losing season. Maybe it is unfair to hold Cam to the same standard as the GOAT, but I'm gonna because he's been around long enough to learn all the lessons and he's making GOAT money.

Probably one of the Dumbest comparisons I have seen in a while. For one when the Pats had poor lines they relied on defense, number 2 they play in the weakest div in football so playoffs are almost given, 3rd when Brady was at his best was when he had talent around him. 

[Bytes]

Just now, Bytes said:

Nope. No objective person would agree with that. Matt Ryan had 74 % completion rate. + 12 yards per attempt with a QB Rating of 144. The defense lost that game.... and coaching. You pulling out one play to colour a game is silly. 

The fact of the matter is Cam is a great duel threat QB but is a mediocre passer at best. His best completion completion in his career is 58.4. By comparison since you put Ryan in this conversation Matt Ryan worse completion rating year is better than 5 out of 6 years of Cam's career. 6 YEARS!. At some point you are what your stats say you are. 

Bottom line is Cam has to develop into a more accurate passer. BTW his footwork when passing is TERRIBLE BTW. 

Correction is best completion in his career is 61.7 and his career avg is 58.4. 

 

[Saca312]

I'm honestly surprised how many Falcon fans are getting triggered over this.

They went to the Superbowl last year and are still salty about a 6-10 Panthers team. To go this far in trying to make Cam sound like he's garbage is pretty telling of their lack of confidence their team will repeat their success next year.

[Bytes]

4 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

I'm honestly surprised how many Falcon fans are getting triggered over this.

They went to the Superbowl last year and are still salty about a 6-10 Panthers team. To go this far in trying to make Cam sound like he's garbage is pretty telling of their lack of confidence their team will repeat their success next year.

I dont know who the Falcons fans are but for me... I am only going on facts.

[L-TownCat]

Facts:

1)Cam is good

2)Shula is not

3)We're 0-0 right now

4)ATLOL blew a 28-3 lead in the SB