Jump to content
  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

CB2, SS, and ST Needs To Be Addressed If The Panthers Want A SB


beastson

Recommended Posts

3 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

Worley is better than anybody in this thread is giving him credit for.

This preseason there are a lot of fans being overly critical of developing players....in preseason!!!

 

My true. If Worley becomes as good as PF thinks he already is, they need to be getting his bust ready for Canton.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

44 minutes ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

That chemistry proved to be a hindrance last season, didn't it? Cam went away from going through his progressions and locked onto him. You can call it trust. I call it comfort. Cam knows he can throw the ball just a bit higher where Benji can make a play on it out of the reach of a defender. Sometimes too much chemistry can be costly.

Well, my belief is that Peppers is still very serviceable and will likely be our third best pass rusher but the amount of hype he's getting on here... it's delusional. His athleticism is mind blowing but my point is that he's not going to be a force with us. Comments like the one in the previous page prove it. He's 34. Peppers is not going to play like he's 24. Zeke running him over last season is a clear indication.

I'm no Worley super fan. I'm simply sick of the poo from fans in here who aren't giving him a fair shake AFTER his rookie campaign. Yes, he's been a mixed bag this preseason but so have other great players like TD, Shaq, Stewart, Coleman, etc. We shouldn't be pressing the panic button before the regular season even starts. Wouldn't you say that's fair?

Again, interesting the things that you say about KB while calling anyone who has ever criticized Worley for anything a "poo fan".

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Most teams don't have a great #2 CB. Worley will do fine, IMO. He's still young and will have some slip ups here and there, but one poor preseason game is no reason to give up on a talented 2nd year player.

I'm not overly worried about ST. That fake punt was a flukey play that most teams would have fallen for. If I have one concern on ST it's Gano in the clutch.

SS... it's too soon to say. Mike Adams has been a solid veteran player for a while now, but is aging. I feel like if he can give us what Roman Harper did (solid, if unspectacular play with the occasional bad game) we'll be fine with him as the starter.

I do worry about depth at safety. We certainly don't want Colin Jones starting anywhere.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

KB gets force fed for a reason. He and Cam have chemistry and Cam trusts him. You can take that one up with Cam if you'd like.

Of course Peppers isn't the same player. He's damn near 40. I've spent the entire offseason cautioning Panthers fans to not have ridiculous expectations for him this season. But, he's still a legit starting caliber DE and he'll prove it.

I'm not waiting on anything out of Worley other than him to show that he's an NFL caliber CB. I absolutely hope he does. I just want what's best for the Panthers. I've been wrong about players before and I'll be wrong again about players in the future. So will every coach, scout, and GM present, past, and future.

But seriously, what's your deal with Worley? Like I said, you'll bash the shot out of guys who have proven far more at the NFL level and blindly defend Worley no matter how bad he looks.

 

in the limited action he has seen, i thought peppers did well.... even on run plays... KB looks fine...anything we get out of Worley is gravy to me as I don't expect much out of him. He's about the same as  many of the other perpetual backup secondary players we have had... a daily reminder of a big reason  why G'man is gone .

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, uncfan888 said:

I still can't figure out why we don't have pro bowlers at every position. Seems like every other team is able to fill out their rosters with them

Who said he had to be a pro bowler? Just be an average, solid starter (Worley).

Link to comment
Share on other sites

7 hours ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

KB gets horsefed and hasn't proved poo in clutch situations. Time and time again, he's provided nothing but garbage time stats. Get back to me when he actually puts on consistent performances where he doesn't disappear when we fall behind.

 

Stop using words you don't understand the meaning of.

 

7 hours ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

I'm no Worley super fan. I'm simply sick of the poo from fans in here who aren't giving him a fair shake AFTER his rookie campaign. Yes, he's been a mixed bag this preseason but so have other great players like TD, Shaq, Stewart, Coleman, etc. We shouldn't be pressing the panic button before the regular season even starts. Wouldn't you say that's fair?

This is gold considering you constantly go out of your way to trash on our best players in KB, not to mention you sh*t on Peppers now and hope JR dies. If only you could realize just how stupid you come across to others on here. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.


  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Wow, didn't catch that!  I don't think Chuba's a power back either but he's usually good at getting that 1 or 2 yards. That was an uncharacteristic day for him.
    • The referee assigned to this game is Shawn Smith. This is a critical data point for betting purposes because his crew has one of the most distinct, long-term statistical biases in the NFL. "Road Team" Bias: Historically, Shawn Smith is known as the "Road Team Referee." In a league where home teams usually win ~55% of the time, home teams in Smith's games have historically won at a rate far below league average (often hovering around 40-42%). Against The Spread (ATS): The trend is even starker here. Home teams have covered the spread at a rate of roughly 37-40% in his career. The Mechanism: Analysis shows his crew tends to call a higher rate of False Start and Unnecessary Roughness penalties on the Home Team. This negates the traditional home-field advantage (crowd noise causing false starts for the visitors). Impact on This Game: This specific assignment heavily favors the Buccaneers (Road Team). If you believe the referee influences the game, Smith's presence suggests the Panthers will struggle to get "home cooking" calls and may face untimely procedural flags that stall drives. The Panthers have only had Shawn Smith officiate four home games since he became a head referee in 2018, and they are all losses. Date Opponent Result Score Nov 24, 2024 vs. Kansas City Chiefs Loss 27–30 Oct 9, 2022 vs. San Francisco 49ers Loss 15–37 Dec 12, 2021 vs. Atlanta Falcons Loss 21–29 Nov 25, 2018 vs. Seattle Seahawks Loss 27–30   Considering the how rare it is for Shawn Smith to officiate a Panthers game at all, this seems like an odd time to assign him to a Panthers game, unless the NFL wants to kill the Panthers season once and for all.  The Panthers' offensive line situation creates a "perfect storm" for referee Shawn Smith's specific tendency to call False Starts on the home team. The "Carousel" Factor (Communication Vulnerability) The most damning stat for the Panthers' offensive line in 2025 is their lack of continuity. The Stat: By Week 13, the Panthers had already fielded their 10th different offensive line combination. The Impact: False starts are often "communication penalties"—they happen when a guard doesn't hear the center's snap count or a tackle anticipates the wrong cadence. A unit that hasn't played together struggles with non-verbal communication. The Shawn Smith Multiplier: Shawn Smith’s crew calls False Starts at a high rate on home teams. He will likely look for flinches on the exterior of the line. A disjointed line that is constantly rotating players (due to the injuries of starters like Cade Mays and the illness issues with Robert Hunt earlier this season) is "fresh meat" for this specific referee bias. The Specific Culprits (2025 Penalties) Ikem Ekwonu (LT): Leads the team with 4 False Start penalties this season. He is the most frequent violator on the line. Taylor Moton (RT): Has been flagged for 3 False Starts. The Trap: Smith’s crew often focuses on the tackles (the players furthest from the ball) jumping early to get an edge on speed rushers. Since Ekwonu struggles with this discipline naturally, having a referee who hunts for it is a massive disadvantage. The "Managed Outcome" Synthesis The "Bucs Cover" Script: If the desired outcome is a Buccaneers win to solidify their playoff standing, the officials simply have to apply the letter of the law. Calling strict False Starts on a confused, banged-up Panthers O-line will consistently put them in "3rd and Long" situations, killing their drives and allowing the Bucs (-3.5) to cover easily. The "Close Game" Script: If the desired outcome is "Week 18 Drama" (keeping the division tied), look for the officials to ignore the Panthers' twitchy tackles. If Ekwonu jumps a split-second early and no flag is thrown, it effectively neutralizes the Bucs' pass rush, allowing the Panthers to keep the score close. Summary of the Edge Vulnerability: Extreme. The Panthers are playing backup interior linemen (like Jake Curhan or practice squad call-ups) next to jumpy tackles. Betting Implication: This strongly reinforces the Bucs -3 or -3.5 play. The combination of a "Road Team Referee" and a "Home Team O-Line in chaos" suggests the Panthers will beat themselves with procedural penalties. Based on the collision of the hard data (Referee bias + Offensive Line injuries) and the soft narratives ("Managed Outcomes"), here is the definitive recommendation. If you have to place a single Moneyline bet to win this game straight up: The Pick: Tampa Bay Buccaneers (-165) While the "Entertainment Script" hints at a Panthers upset to keep the division messy, the structural disadvantage the Panthers face in this specific matchup is too massive to ignore. Here is why the Buccaneers are the stong moneyline play: 1. The "Shawn Smith" Road-Field Advantage This is the decisive factor. In the NFL, Home Field Advantage usually accounts for about 1.5 to 2 points of value. The Reality: Referee Shawn Smith negates that advantage entirely. His crew calls penalties in a way that historically suppresses home crowd momentum (False Starts, holding). The Result: You are essentially getting the Buccaneers on a neutral field (or even a "pseudo-home" field) against a team with a worse roster. 2. The "Drive-Killer" Synergy To win as an underdog, the Panthers need to play a clean, mistake-free game to keep drives alive. The combination of Panthers' 10th O-Line combo + Jump-prone Tackles (Ekwonu) + A Referee who hunts False Starts is a recipe for disaster. The Scenario: Expect the Panthers to face multiple "1st and 15" or "3rd and 12" situations due to procedural flags. These drive-killers will force them to punt or settle for field goals, while the Bucs' offense (led by Mayfield) stays on schedule. 3. The "TV Product" Counter-Argument You asked about the "Managed Outcome." While a Panthers win creates "chaos," the NFL also values Star Power in the playoffs. Baker Mayfield and the Buccaneers are a proven national TV draw with recent playoff history. If the league has to choose between "Chaos" (Panthers) and "Ratings/Legitimacy" (Bucs), the "Script" likely leans toward ensuring the Buccaneers—the more marketable team—secure the division lead. They won't "fix" the game against the Panthers, but they won't intervene to save them from their own penalties. Final Verdict Betting on the Panthers requires you to hope for a miracle 4th-quarter collapse. Betting on the Buccaneers requires you to trust that a superior roster—aided by a favorable officiating crew—will control the game for the first 45 minutes. Take the Buccaneers Moneyline. The "Safe" money is on the Ref. The Prediction: Tampa Bay Buccaneers Win and Cover Projected Score: Buccaneers 27, Panthers 17 The Bet: Buccaneers -3 (or Moneyline -165) Confidence Level: High on the Winner; Moderate on the Spread (due to potential "garbage time" variance).
×
×
  • Create New...