Weak move by Jon Beason

[Vagrant]

1. Gaant is not required to be a fan of this team to cover them. In fact, it makes more sense that he is not a fan so that he is allowed to be more objective and to evaluate the talent and coaching fairly. When you become emotionally invested into a team, it can blind you from reality as you experience the ebbs and flows of the success and failure of a team with the fan base as opposed to being the constant voice of what the Panthers ARE doing as opposed to what the Panthers SHOULD be doing from your point of view. We, as non-paid endorsement of the team, are allowed to postulate and criticize what is more than likely perfectly explainable but career suicide for Gaant to do. With the knowledge of the inner workings of the franchise, a whole new opportunity is created to lose all your credibility by going public with information that should have been kept private for the sake of your relationship with your sources. A good beat writer, which I am withholding my own opinion of Gaant, will usher you to those conclusions without compromising the position in which he was informed of it. If Gaant was as reactive and petty as many around here, he would have been fired three months into the job after the first time he laid into management or players unfairly and they subsequently refused to give him the time of day. That is not "John Fox Coach Speak", that is Journalism 101. When you lose your connection, you've lost the story. When you lose the story, you lose your job. Bottom line.

2. What Jon Beason said is what we, as reactive fans, wanted to hear him say and revere him for having done. We are frustrated, we are disenchanted, we are wanting an explanation for why Peppers has been playing so poorly so at the first glimpse of recognition from a leader on our defense, we take it up and run with it because it's the affirmation we've been waiting so desperately for while, externally, it seems the coaching staff has been covering for him and trying to shield him from criticism. Is what Jon Beason came out and talked about dead on the money? I would venture that it was. However, we have the most internalized front office in professional sports to my knowledge. Almost certainly the tightest room in the NFL in regards to information leaking out. Beason speaking out to the media and not speaking out to Peppers man to man is where he got in trouble. That is not to say that he was wrong for having done it, because he's a grown ass man and he can say or do whatever he wants to do, but in regards to how the Carolina Panthers like their players to challenge one another this did not fit the description of what they feel is acceptable behavior. Trust me, as much as we all liked to hear what Beason had to say, the minute you allow the team to start communicating to each other through the media is the minute you've lost your team. Next thing you know, Steve Smith is calling out Jeff Davidson. Thomas Davis is calling out John Fox. Jonathan Stewart is complaining about how the medical staff treated his injury. Dissension fills the room and we become the Oakland Raiders. Entertaining on a daily basis except for Sunday. I do not think anybody here really wants that. We want accountability. I would say chances are about 150% that somebody internally challenged Thomas Davis prior to the start of this season for his lack of really putting his stamp on the position. However, since nobody ever took that to the media we never heard about it. Does that make it any more or less awesome that Davis is now having a career season? I didn't think so.

3. John Fox and his outward show of emotion to the media has served him well in avoiding external conflict to the degree that the rest of the teams in the league have experienced during the same time frame. Fox runs a tight ship in regards to keeping everything confined away from the public eye, and he draws ire here because of that mode of operation. Do I agree with that philosophy? It doesn't really matter because that's the way it is and not the way that I personally feel it should be. John Fox, until further notice, is the man responsible for the performance of this group of men and whatever way he selects to motivate them is not up for our debate. What is up for our debate is his effectiveness in HIS position and how that translates to the team. If you are using his stoic nature with the fans and the media to justify his lack of success on the field, then you are missing the point entirely. Some of the most vocal coaches of all time have had some of the worst coached squads of all time and have told them so. Do we really want that in a coach? Would the satisfaction of having a coach tear his team a new ass after every game and every mistake make up for the fact that those mistakes were being made to start with? I don't think it would be worth it. I think that 90% of the people that criticize John Fox for his stoicism are simply frustrated with the team and want somebody to sympathize with. If that is the case, then call up a buddy and cry into the receiver together. The job of a head coach is not to make you feel better about the team, it's to win football games and Fox has done that better and more frequently than any coach we have ever had in our organizational history. Does that make me a John Fox supporter? Again, it doesn't really matter what I think but I do believe that it's time for a change in organizational ideology and that does start with the GM and the coach. But that is not, however, a condemnation of what John Fox can do as a coach in this league. It is simply a recognition of the fact that players can be hard to motivate personally and when your veterans have heard the same halftime speech for 6 or 7 years, it can be hard to get up for it. John Fox is in charge of being a leader of men..... and you have to look in the mirror and realize that you are not one of them. We have PR guys that try to make you feel like a part of the team, that isn't the job of the head coach. There are about 60 opinions that should matter to John Fox about how he is doing his job right now, and nobody here made the short list. Unless and until those 60 lose faith in his ability to coach a good football game or until he fails to properly inspire them, he should remain in his current capacity. If the organization feels that he has lost that ability, then he should be fired immediately. We can speculate all we want and we can even point to specific players that have "confided" in some of you that the notion is prevalent in the room.... but until the day comes where that sentiment is obvious to ownership he is our guy. For that and what he has given us in the past .... we should applaud his efforts. Fox has raised expectations for Carolina football during his time here and he is now currently dying on that same sword by the mass exodus of Judases from his corner that once hailed him as the answer to our long awaited "franchise coach".

[frash.exe]

[Mr. Scot]

but we as fans are hypocrites. Jenkins did the same thing as Beason but we try to justify why it so much different for Beason to call it like it is in hopes for his teammates around him to give it there all.

Overall, the team is loaded w/ some really nice guys. The guys you would probably want to play w/ and against. Outside of Beason and Smitty no one really has an edge to them. Maybe a case for Harris but that is it.

Beason is a team leader whose work ethic is never in question. That description could not have been applied to Jenkins.

[God]

1. Gaant is not required to be a fan of this team to cover them. In fact, it makes more sense that he is not a fan so that he is allowed to be more objective and to evaluate the talent and coaching fairly. When you become emotionally invested into a team, it can blind you from reality as you experience the ebbs and flows of the success and failure of a team with the fan base as opposed to being the constant voice of what the Panthers ARE doing as opposed to what the Panthers SHOULD be doing from your point of view. We, as non-paid endorsement of the team, are allowed to postulate and criticize what is more than likely perfectly explainable but career suicide for Gaant to do. With the knowledge of the inner workings of the franchise, a whole new opportunity is created to lose all your credibility by going public with information that should have been kept private for the sake of your relationship with your sources. A good beat writer, which I am withholding my own opinion of Gaant, will usher you to those conclusions without compromising the position in which he was informed of it. If Gaant was as reactive and petty as many around here, he would have been fired three months into the job after the first time he laid into management or players unfairly and they subsequently refused to give him the time of day. That is not "John Fox Coach Speak", that is Journalism 101. When you lose your connection, you've lost the story. When you lose the story, you lose your job. Bottom line.

2. What Jon Beason said is what we, as reactive fans, wanted to hear him say and revere him for having done. We are frustrated, we are disenchanted, we are wanting an explanation for why Peppers has been playing so poorly so at the first glimpse of recognition from a leader on our defense, we take it up and run with it because it's the affirmation we've been waiting so desperately for while, externally, it seems the coaching staff has been covering for him and trying to shield him from criticism. Is what Jon Beason came out and talked about dead on the money? I would venture that it was. However, we have the most internalized front office in professional sports to my knowledge. Almost certainly the tightest room in the NFL in regards to information leaking out. Beason speaking out to the media and not speaking out to Peppers man to man is where he got in trouble. That is not to say that he was wrong for having done it, because he's a grown ass man and he can say or do whatever he wants to do, but in regards to how the Carolina Panthers like their players to challenge one another this did not fit the description of what they feel is acceptable behavior. Trust me, as much as we all liked to hear what Beason had to say, the minute you allow the team to start communicating to each other through the media is the minute you've lost your team. Next thing you know, Steve Smith is calling out Jeff Davidson. Thomas Davis is calling out John Fox. Jonathan Stewart is complaining about how the medical staff treated his injury. Dissension fills the room and we become the Oakland Raiders. Entertaining on a daily basis except for Sunday. I do not think anybody here really wants that. We want accountability. I would say chances are about 150% that somebody internally challenged Thomas Davis prior to the start of this season for his lack of really putting his stamp on the position. However, since nobody ever took that to the media we never heard about it. Does that make it any more or less awesome that Davis is now having a career season? I didn't think so.

3. John Fox and his outward show of emotion to the media has served him well in avoiding external conflict to the degree that the rest of the teams in the league have experienced during the same time frame. Fox runs a tight ship in regards to keeping everything confined away from the public eye, and he draws ire here because of that mode of operation. Do I agree with that philosophy? It doesn't really matter because that's the way it is and not the way that I personally feel it should be. John Fox, until further notice, is the man responsible for the performance of this group of men and whatever way he selects to motivate them is not up for our debate. What is up for our debate is his effectiveness in HIS position and how that translates to the team. If you are using his stoic nature with the fans and the media to justify his lack of success on the field, then you are missing the point entirely. Some of the most vocal coaches of all time have had some of the worst coached squads of all time and have told them so. Do we really want that in a coach? Would the satisfaction of having a coach tear his team a new ass after every game and every mistake make up for the fact that those mistakes were being made to start with? I don't think it would be worth it. I think that 90% of the people that criticize John Fox for his stoicism are simply frustrated with the team and want somebody to sympathize with. If that is the case, then call up a buddy and cry into the receiver together. The job of a head coach is not to make you feel better about the team, it's to win football games and Fox has done that better and more frequently than any coach we have ever had in our organizational history. Does that make me a John Fox supporter? Again, it doesn't really matter what I think but I do believe that it's time for a change in organizational ideology and that does start with the GM and the coach. But that is not, however, a condemnation of what John Fox can do as a coach in this league. It is simply a recognition of the fact that players can be hard to motivate personally and when your veterans have heard the same halftime speech for 6 or 7 years, it can be hard to get up for it. John Fox is in charge of being a leader of men..... and you have to look in the mirror and realize that you are not one of them. We have PR guys that try to make you feel like a part of the team, that isn't the job of the head coach. There are about 60 opinions that should matter to John Fox about how he is doing his job right now, and nobody here made the short list. Unless and until those 60 lose faith in his ability to coach a good football game or until he fails to properly inspire them, he should remain in his current capacity. If the organization feels that he has lost that ability, then he should be fired immediately. We can speculate all we want and we can even point to specific players that have "confided" in some of you that the notion is prevalent in the room.... but until the day comes where that sentiment is obvious to ownership he is our guy. For that and what he has given us in the past .... we should applaud his efforts. Fox has raised expectations for Carolina football during his time here and he is now currently dying on that same sword by the mass exodus of Judases from his corner that once hailed him as the answer to our long awaited "franchise coach".

Wow, you have way too much time on your hands. Who the hell would read that giant wall o' text.

[CRA]

Beason is a team leader whose work ethic is never in question. That description could not have been applied to Jenkins.

ok, I can agree with that. that still doesn't make what he did different than Jenkins.

[Mr. Scot]

ok, I can agree with that. that still doesn't make what he did different than Jenkins.

There's a big difference between pledging "I'm going to do something to fix the problem" as opposed to just saying "this team sucks and I'm better than these other guys".

[CRA]

There's a big difference between pledging "I'm going to do something to fix the problem" as opposed to just saying "this team sucks and I'm better than these other guys".

Jenkins said there was a lot of talk....and guys weren't giving 100% and need to step it up. It was true. Jenkins had plenty of faults of his own....but when on the field he went hard.

Beason called out the effort of the team and one player's effort. He said he was going to speak to him and them about it. Beason may have said it more polite....but there is really no difference in my view of what he did and Jenkins. Both were the wrong way to address things and both open up the door for other headaches down the road.

[PrimeTyme]

no one cares if Beason doesnt talk to reporters! As long as he stays on Peppers ass and we get a win Panther nation is cool

Gantt is a idiot if he thinks otherwise

[Jbro]

Gantt is on WFNZ right now I hope someone calls him out on this.

[OneBadassCat]

Personally I don't think Beason had to say anything else to the media. The results of the Beason-Pep discussion were showed on the field. There was no need to talk about it after the game. Peppers and Beason have a good relationship and can leave that sort of thing to themselves. No reason to get the media involved any further.

[X-Clown]

Gantt is on WFNZ right now I hope someone calls him out on this.

I haven't been able to listen since I am at work, but yesterday Pack responded to crolls' e-mail and said that Gantt's article was unbelievable. Does anyone know if they have called Gantt out about this today?

[Jbro]

I only listened for the first few minutes, once the topic became the NFL is a non profit I turned it off. I doubt it though, Packer only has the balls to call someone out behind there back when he knows they are in a market that can not hear him.

[scpanther22]

Somebody just called on the whiner line..about Gantt.Gantt said he is not bitter.its just his job and beason was wrong and pack just changed the subject.

[bleys]

1. Gaant is not required to be a fan of this team to cover them. In fact, it makes more sense that he is not a fan so that he is allowed to be more objective and to evaluate the talent and coaching fairly. When you become emotionally invested into a team, it can blind you from reality as you experience the ebbs and flows of the success and failure of a team with the fan base as opposed to being the constant voice of what the Panthers ARE doing as opposed to what the Panthers SHOULD be doing from your point of view. We, as non-paid endorsement of the team, are allowed to postulate and criticize what is more than likely perfectly explainable but career suicide for Gaant to do. With the knowledge of the inner workings of the franchise, a whole new opportunity is created to lose all your credibility by going public with information that should have been kept private for the sake of your relationship with your sources. A good beat writer, which I am withholding my own opinion of Gaant, will usher you to those conclusions without compromising the position in which he was informed of it. If Gaant was as reactive and petty as many around here, he would have been fired three months into the job after the first time he laid into management or players unfairly and they subsequently refused to give him the time of day. That is not "John Fox Coach Speak", that is Journalism 101. When you lose your connection, you've lost the story. When you lose the story, you lose your job. Bottom line.

2. What Jon Beason said is what we, as reactive fans, wanted to hear him say and revere him for having done. We are frustrated, we are disenchanted, we are wanting an explanation for why Peppers has been playing so poorly so at the first glimpse of recognition from a leader on our defense, we take it up and run with it because it's the affirmation we've been waiting so desperately for while, externally, it seems the coaching staff has been covering for him and trying to shield him from criticism. Is what Jon Beason came out and talked about dead on the money? I would venture that it was. However, we have the most internalized front office in professional sports to my knowledge. Almost certainly the tightest room in the NFL in regards to information leaking out. Beason speaking out to the media and not speaking out to Peppers man to man is where he got in trouble. That is not to say that he was wrong for having done it, because he's a grown ass man and he can say or do whatever he wants to do, but in regards to how the Carolina Panthers like their players to challenge one another this did not fit the description of what they feel is acceptable behavior. Trust me, as much as we all liked to hear what Beason had to say, the minute you allow the team to start communicating to each other through the media is the minute you've lost your team. Next thing you know, Steve Smith is calling out Jeff Davidson. Thomas Davis is calling out John Fox. Jonathan Stewart is complaining about how the medical staff treated his injury. Dissension fills the room and we become the Oakland Raiders. Entertaining on a daily basis except for Sunday. I do not think anybody here really wants that. We want accountability. I would say chances are about 150% that somebody internally challenged Thomas Davis prior to the start of this season for his lack of really putting his stamp on the position. However, since nobody ever took that to the media we never heard about it. Does that make it any more or less awesome that Davis is now having a career season? I didn't think so.

3. John Fox and his outward show of emotion to the media has served him well in avoiding external conflict to the degree that the rest of the teams in the league have experienced during the same time frame. Fox runs a tight ship in regards to keeping everything confined away from the public eye, and he draws ire here because of that mode of operation. Do I agree with that philosophy? It doesn't really matter because that's the way it is and not the way that I personally feel it should be. John Fox, until further notice, is the man responsible for the performance of this group of men and whatever way he selects to motivate them is not up for our debate. What is up for our debate is his effectiveness in HIS position and how that translates to the team. If you are using his stoic nature with the fans and the media to justify his lack of success on the field, then you are missing the point entirely. Some of the most vocal coaches of all time have had some of the worst coached squads of all time and have told them so. Do we really want that in a coach? Would the satisfaction of having a coach tear his team a new ass after every game and every mistake make up for the fact that those mistakes were being made to start with? I don't think it would be worth it. I think that 90% of the people that criticize John Fox for his stoicism are simply frustrated with the team and want somebody to sympathize with. If that is the case, then call up a buddy and cry into the receiver together. The job of a head coach is not to make you feel better about the team, it's to win football games and Fox has done that better and more frequently than any coach we have ever had in our organizational history. Does that make me a John Fox supporter? Again, it doesn't really matter what I think but I do believe that it's time for a change in organizational ideology and that does start with the GM and the coach. But that is not, however, a condemnation of what John Fox can do as a coach in this league. It is simply a recognition of the fact that players can be hard to motivate personally and when your veterans have heard the same halftime speech for 6 or 7 years, it can be hard to get up for it. John Fox is in charge of being a leader of men..... and you have to look in the mirror and realize that you are not one of them. We have PR guys that try to make you feel like a part of the team, that isn't the job of the head coach. There are about 60 opinions that should matter to John Fox about how he is doing his job right now, and nobody here made the short list. Unless and until those 60 lose faith in his ability to coach a good football game or until he fails to properly inspire them, he should remain in his current capacity. If the organization feels that he has lost that ability, then he should be fired immediately. We can speculate all we want and we can even point to specific players that have "confided" in some of you that the notion is prevalent in the room.... but until the day comes where that sentiment is obvious to ownership he is our guy. For that and what he has given us in the past .... we should applaud his efforts. Fox has raised expectations for Carolina football during his time here and he is now currently dying on that same sword by the mass exodus of Judases from his corner that once hailed him as the answer to our long awaited "franchise coach".

rep! (if I remember)

Wow, you have way too much time on your hands. Who the hell would read that giant wall o' text.

I read it.. it never hurts for you all to see what a very well-written, unbiased post looks like. One I can't see many around here actually writing.