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It’s honestly amazing how many of you still can’t see how much Richardson interferes with this offseason

matt Kalil was inked because of the relationship jr has with Ryan. 

Mccaffrey was drafted because of the Richardson meeting. 

Gettleman was shown the door due to how he handled Olsen and Davis. 

Gettleman was far from perfect but Kalil wasn’t a move he really had any choice in making. 

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1 hour ago, bigdog10 said:

It’s honestly amazing how many of you still can’t see how much Richardson interferes with this offseason

matt Kalil was inked because of the relationship jr has with Ryan. 

Mccaffrey was drafted because of the Richardson meeting. 

Gettleman was shown the door due to how he handled Olsen and Davis. 

Gettleman was far from perfect but Kalil wasn’t a move he really had any choice in making. 

If that is true, then Gettleman deserves no credit for the cap moves or any other move he made. He can't be painted as a puppet and then get credit for being this brash, no-nonsense General Manager that made ballsy personnel decisions. 

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28 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

If that is true, then Gettleman deserves no credit for the cap moves or any other move he made. He can't be painted as a puppet and then get credit for being this brash, no-nonsense General Manager that made ballsy personnel decisions. 

Exactly

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Gettleman's thinking was pretty simple, young left tackles with the potential to be elite simply don't come available in the free agent market ....... ever. Yeah, Kalil's last 2-3 seasons stunk, but he was still a top 5 pick with all measurables you look for in a premiere left tackle. He took a shot on a guy who thought had the chance to become a cornerstone at that position for us for a long time to come, and I still think it's too early to say he missed entirely. Kalil hasn't been consistent, but he's definitely played well in spurts, and you can see it Cam having more time to sit in the pocket this year than in the past. 

And if he doesn't work out, well, the contract was structured in a way to account for that. The first two years his cap hit is 3.5 million and 6.75 million respectively, basically a pittance for a veteran starter at any position, let alone left tackle. It jumps to $12.75 million in year 3, which is admittedly high for what we're getting out of Kalil now, but a relative bargain if he becomes a Pro Bowl caliber starter. The key is that year 3 is when we can cut him to save money and then distribute his remaining dead cap over the remainder of his contract to minimize it's impact. It was really a smart contract that accounted for both the possibility that he breaks out or totally fizzles.

Bottom line is while this may have been the DG's most questionable free agent signing, acting like it was a "fireable offense" is just ridiculous. The man still got us 4 playoff berths in 5 years (vs 3 in 15 for Hurney) and left us in a very good spot cap wise. Whoever takes over, be it Hurney or someone else, will be starting with a much better roster and cap situation than he did. We should all be thankful for the work he did here.

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57 minutes ago, FugAllY'all said:

Gettleman's thinking was pretty simple, young left tackles with the potential to be elite simply don't come available in the free agent market ....... ever. Yeah, Kalil's last 2-3 seasons stunk, but he was still a top 5 pick with all measurables you look for in a premiere left tackle. He took a shot on a guy who thought had the chance to become a cornerstone at that position for us for a long time to come, and I still think it's too early to say he missed entirely. Kalil hasn't been consistent, but he's definitely played well in spurts, and you can see it Cam having more time to sit in the pocket this year than in the past. 

And if he doesn't work out, well, the contract was structured in a way to account for that. The first two years his cap hit is 3.5 million and 6.75 million respectively, basically a pittance for a veteran starter at any position, let alone left tackle. It jumps to $12.75 million in year 3, which is admittedly high for what we're getting out of Kalil now, but a relative bargain if he becomes a Pro Bowl caliber starter. The key is that year 3 is when we can cut him to save money and then distribute his remaining dead cap over the remainder of his contract to minimize it's impact. It was really a smart contract that accounted for both the possibility that he breaks out or totally fizzles.

Bottom line is while this may have been the DG's most questionable free agent signing, acting like it was a "fireable offense" is just ridiculous. The man still got us 4 playoff berths in 5 years (vs 3 in 15 for Hurney) and left us in a very good spot cap wise. Whoever takes over, be it Hurney or someone else, will be starting with a much better roster and cap situation than he did. We should all be thankful for the work he did here.

 

Kalil has never been even remotely serviceable other than his rookie year. That also hasn't changed. He has largely been the biggest weakness on our OL, pretty consistently getting beat or needing help to block his guy. TBH, he doesn't even look like a valuable backup.

It's easy to say that Gettleman "took a shot" but he was one of the worst options available in free agency and we paid him one of the largest contracts. I think in anyone's book that has to be regarded as a pretty huge blunder. It has certainly proved so, to this point. This is also taking into account all of the offseason reports of Matt being "the healthiest he has ever been." Well, if this is him at 100%, I am pretty sure the results are in.

I can agree that we are only on the hook for basically two years but the amount of guaranteed money and cap hit we are stuck with next year(if we cut him) are pretty ridiculous. It's really not even much of an argument to say that it was a bad contract. It was an awful contract, perhaps not as much due to the financial terms as the "bang for the buck" aspect. We have gotten one of the worst starting left tackles in the NFL, for one of the bigger LT contracts(total value) in the league. That's pretty rough.

The most damning aspect has to be that he chose this guy to protect our franchise QB who was coming off of a major surgery. Oher, another DG signing, was mediocre but at least an average level starter(which I was surprised to see, admittedly). Kalil has been absolutely dreadful. As has been stated in this thread, during the season and at the time of the signing, it was very clear that there were better options available even at the time. Better options and cheaper options for that matter. 

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