Some of that Kalil $ could have gone toward keeping Norwell

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, TheRed said:

Scot is intelligent, and informative on certain things but he'll develop a sudden bout of amnesia quick if something doesn't align with his thinking.

Oh, and here's the post since you wanted to be an arrogant ass about it @Mr. Scot.

 

Ah, yes.  Your timing is a bit off, though. Friday was about twice your "48 hour" time frame.

And boy that's a heck of a "rant" I went on, huh?  Heck, that's not even a negative statement.  Just a comment.

"Rant"

So shall we search how many times you've talked about Gettleman just within the past 24 hours?

[top dawg]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Riiiight.

If you want to talk about how much I mention Marty Hurney vs how often you reference Gettleman, well...

I've spent the last several days focused on little else than coaching hires. That's something that's kind of important right now.  I've also been interested in whether or not we were going to lose Steve Wilks and which coaches would go with him.

So tell me, starter of recent Gettleman threads, what are you focused on? 

 

If someone were to count all the times you've said something negative about Hurney (after the return) and put them up against me saying negative things about Gettleman for his entire tenure,  you would take it in a landslide. And that's  not even taking into account all the good stuff I've said about Gettleman over the years. 

You try and give the Hurney bashing a rest (unless warranted by something that he does this time around),  and I'll leave Gettleman out my mouth (which I've basically done,  but for a couple of threads). 

[TheRed]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Ah, yes.  Your timing is a bit off, though. Friday was about twice your "48 hour" time frame.

And boy that's a heck of a "rant" I went on, huh?  Heck, that's not even a negative statement.  Just a comment.

"Rant"

So shall we search how many times you've talked about Gettleman just within the past 24 hours?

DG was our most recent GM for several years.

So should we talk about a failed draft pick from 2005, or talk about offseason gaffes from a year ago that directly affected the 2017 season and will affect our upcoming season?

Hmm that's a tough decision.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, top dawg said:

If someone were to count all the times you've said something negative about Hurney (after the return) and put them up against me saying negative things about Gettleman for his entire tenure,  you would take it in a landslide. And that's  not even taking into account all the good stuff I've said about Gettleman over the years. 

You try and give the Hurney bashing a rest (unless warranted by something that he does this time around),  and I'll leave Gettleman out my mouth (which I've basically done,  but for a couple of threads). 

Suuuure, Dawg.

I won't be surprised if you have another Gettleman thread up within the next few weeks.  Me?  I'll probably still be talking about coaches until that cycle is done.  After that, probably be focused on the sale of the team.  News might be slow for a while till time for free agency to start.

But hey, you do you.

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, TheRed said:

DG was our most recent GM for several years.

So should we talk about a failed draft pick from 2005, or talk about offseason gaffes from a year ago that directly affected the 2017 season and will affect our upcoming season?

Hmm that's a tough decision.

Who's our current GM?

And since the discussion was about our current GM drafting runningbacks, it was kind of an appropriate comment.

You, on the other hand, will take a completely unrelated thread and try to make it either about Gettleman or how everybody secretly hates Newton except you.

It's obvious trolling, and it's boring.

Give the rest of us a break and find something else to talk about.

[TheRed]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Who's our current GM?

And since the discussion was about our current GM drafting runningbacks, it was kind of an appropriate comment.

You, on the other hand, will take a completely unrelated thread and try to make it either about Gettleman or how everybody secretly hates Newton except you.

It's obvious trolling, and it's boring.

Boring is pretending we have no problems and making excuses for failure.

[grimesgoat]

1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

Matt's contract, if I am not mistaken, has an escape clause after this year.  I would assume that Ryan Kalil/Thomas Davis/and

Trading Benjamin prevented a big contract that would have been tough to re-sign Norwell, but if you consider the big contracts rolling off in 2018, there is room.

Start here (if you don't know about this already): https://overthecap.com/calculator/carolina-panthers/

You have to get creative.  First, take a look at the possible releases and savings (If I am reading the info on the website correctly--assuming this info is correct, but this does not seem right--please correct the info if you know more):

Stewart $5,218,750 (we are drafting a "between the tackles" RB-Stew did not have $5m in productivity and is on the wrong side of 30)

Munnerlyn $ $3,937,500  (Benjamin was the last player to have a disagreement with coaches---I doubt they think more of Capt.  Besides, Corn can do the job)

Sheperd $3,525,000  (Terrible contract.  Cut losses)

Whittaker $1,150,000 (With CMC, an undrafted free agent could give us as much at half the cost)

Adams $2,425,000  (he intercepted a long pass on fourth down that cost us 20 yards of field position.  39 year old players should know better)

THIS TOTALS $20m. 

 

 

 

There's sort of a weird glitch on the website - you have to click twice to get the correct numbers.

For example, we do not gain 3.9 mil from cutting Munnerlyn.  Instead we incur 4.5m. in dead cap and gain nothing.  We're better off keeping him.

Cutting Shepherd cut saves us 2.1 but creates 1.4 in dead cap.

Cutting Adams saves 2.1 but creates .3 in dead cap.  I actually think Adams is worth 2.4 easily.

Cutting Stew saves 3.7 but still causes 1.5 in dead cap.

We do get the full benefit for cutting Fozzy.

The Kalil contract is strange - I'm not sure OTC or Sportrac are valuing it correctly.  But it appears cutting him after the 2018 season will save us 8m off 2019 cap but will cost 4.9 in dead cap (assuming he is designated as a June 1 cut).

[AceBoogie]

1 hour ago, Cary Kollins said:

RELATED:

Players Hurney drafted in 2010 with Antonio Brown on the board

Jimmy Clausen

Brandon Lafell

Armanti Edwards (via trade lolz)

Eric Norwood

Overlord Kraken

 

shakes fist at sky

You could do that for every team in the NFL. He wasn't even the first WR taken by the steelers. 

[Cary Kollins]

Just now, AceBoogie said:

You could do that for every team in the NFL. He wasn't even the first WR taken by the steelers. 

 

congrats, you have gotten my point

[AceBoogie]

5 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

There's sort of a weird glitch on the website - you have to click twice to get the correct numbers.

For example, we do not gain 3.9 mil from cutting Munnerlyn.  Instead we incur 4.5m. in dead cap and gain nothing.  We're better off keeping him.

Cutting Shepherd cut saves us 2.1 but creates 1.4 in dead cap.

Cutting Adams saves 2.1 but creates .3 in dead cap.  I actually think Adams is worth 2.4 easily.

Cutting Stew saves 3.7 but still causes 1.5 in dead cap.

We do get the full benefit for cutting Fozzy.

The Kalil contract is strange - I'm not sure OTC or Sportrac are valuing it correctly.  But it appears cutting him after the 2018 season will save us 8m off 2019 cap but will cost 4.9 in dead cap (assuming he is designated as a June 1 cut).

So basically Gettleman had a terrible offseason 

[Cary Kollins]

16 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Boring is pretending we have no problems and making excuses for failure.

 

I don't think there's a single person here that pretends we don't have problems. Every team does obviously.

What Scot and Rum and others are tired of is the same complaining being brought up in just about any type of thread without fail.

Why not just put the same three/four complaints in your tag line so you can save original material for actual posts? Seriously, sanjay's dual TEs posts are less predictable at this point.

I'm just trying to help.

 

 

[TheRed]

5 minutes ago, Cary Kollins said:

 

I don't think there's a single person here that pretends we don't have problems. Every team does obviously.

What Scot and Rum and others are tired of is the same complaining being brought up in just about any type of thread without fail.

Why not just put the same three/four complaints in your tag line so you can save original material for actual posts? Seriously, sanjay's dual TEs posts are less predictable at this point.

I'm just trying to help.

 

 

Why do you say nothing about people screaming about Hurney at all hours of the day?

Why is it you only draw a line in the sand when it involves DG?

[Cary Kollins]

3 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Why do you say nothing about people screaming about Hurney at all hours of the day?

Why is it you only draw a line in the sand when it involves DG?

 

because no one is screaming about Hurney at all hours for no reason in unrelated topics

if anything, people seem to be giving Hurney the benefit of the doubt this offseason. He's done a decent job since coming back.

[AU-panther]

1 hour ago, top dawg said:

Riley Reiff was an infinitely better prospect.  I could have stomached losing  Norwell for him. 

I’ll be honest, I didn’t see many of his games.  Does anyone know how he compared to Kalil according to PFF?

Personally I was a fan of Whitworth, he was the one proven FA.  A lot of people were worried about is age and declining, but I figured worts case he goes from top-3 to top-10.

Who knows if we talked to him or even if he would have considered us.

Eeither way I think our front office was guilty of acting like the huddle. How many times did you hear “anyone would be better” or “we have to do something to protect Cam”?  I think we got desperate and payed off of Home.  Quality left tackles are hard to find, if you are going to be bad I would prefer to do it cheaply. 

Wether or not it was DH’s call I don’t know and I’m not sure we will ever know.  I still find it odd that we didn’t really hear any details about the firing.  It didn’t seem to fit DG’s Style but he might have got desperate.