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Every GM Drafting rankings over thier tenure

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I know a guy who works in psychology for emergency services - basically, he's the "talk you off the rooftop" guy - and he says this sort of scenario is more common than people think. Sporting events can be major triggers and these incidents spike at those times. One minute a guy is watching the big game with his family, then his team loses (or in this case, wins), and all of a sudden he's got a shotgun to his wife's head, he's holding the kids hostage, he's screaming obscenities at the negotiator, the whole nine yards. (Luckily, the success rate for negotiation in these situations is quite high, as I hope would be the case for any Huddlers.)

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Every GM makes good decisions and bad decisions. By several metrics, Hurney has proven to be better than most GMs. He was part of building 2 different Super Bowl teams. Throwing a brand new GM in there right before the draft is a terrible decision. Anyone who is hired now is going to be trying to impress the new owner - Hurney or anyone else. If you don't knock this offseason out of the park, you probably aren't getting another year. Hurney has made some very good moves since coming back. Letting him get a shot at it makes a ton of sense.

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10 minutes ago, Wolfcop said:

Every GM makes good decisions and bad decisions. By several metrics, Hurney has proven to be better than most GMs. He was part of building 2 different Super Bowl teams. Throwing a brand new GM in there right before the draft is a terrible decision. Anyone who is hired now is going to be trying to impress the new owner - Hurney or anyone else. If you don't knock this offseason out of the park, you probably aren't getting another year. Hurney has made some very good moves since coming back. Letting him get a shot at it makes a ton of sense.

Wow, a reasonable post.

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13 minutes ago, Wolfcop said:

Every GM makes good decisions and bad decisions. By several metrics, Hurney has proven to be better than most GMs. He was part of building 2 different Super Bowl teams. Throwing a brand new GM in there right before the draft is a terrible decision. Anyone who is hired now is going to be trying to impress the new owner - Hurney or anyone else. If you don't knock this offseason out of the park, you probably aren't getting another year. Hurney has made some very good moves since coming back. Letting him get a shot at it makes a ton of sense.

you can basically say the same thing for many GMs who got fired for incompetency if the team reached a superbowl berth after they left

but i’m sure you haven’t even heard of most of their names.

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15 minutes ago, Wolfcop said:

Every GM makes good decisions and bad decisions. By several metrics, Hurney has proven to be better than most GMs. He was part of building 2 different Super Bowl teams. Throwing a brand new GM in there right before the draft is a terrible decision. Anyone who is hired now is going to be trying to impress the new owner - Hurney or anyone else. If you don't knock this offseason out of the park, you probably aren't getting another year. Hurney has made some very good moves since coming back. Letting him get a shot at it makes a ton of sense.

The only metric that actually matters is whether the teams that you build win or lose.

In eleven seasons, Hurney only built three winning teams. Two of those came while the roster still had a heavy influence from George Seifert. The third got absolutely humiliated in the playoffs.

The only way that you can call Hurney a good GM is by focusing on a particular subset of something he did, then narrowing the criteria to the point where it suits the argument. That's basically equivalent to taking an essay that got a kid a failing grade and pointing out that he had good punctuation.

The overall roster building is the only thing that matters. Marty is terrible at it.

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10 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The only metric that actually matters is whether the teams that you build win or lose.

In eleven seasons, Hurney only built three winning teams. Two of those came while the roster still had a heavy influence from George Seifert. The third got absolutely humiliated in the playoffs.

The only way that you can call Hurney a good GM is by focusing on a particular subset of something he did, then narrowing the criteria to the point where it suits the argument. That's basically equivalent to taking an essay that got a kid a failing grade and pointing out that he had good punctuation.

The overall roster building is the only thing that matters. Marty is terrible at it.

Hey bud, I have read your posts in about 200+ threads, and they do express how much dislike you have JR and MH, but I think it's time you stop beating the dead horse. 

We get it, you don't like them, but your constant bickering really takes away from what you could really offer to the message board. You are losing your normal "great contributor" and turning into "Nancy, the office intern everyone hates because she/he just gripes about her/his personal issues. (gender equality proof)"

Your stance is obvious, but now that things are already in motion, you should avoid getting worked up and start posting like you used to.

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Just now, TheCasillas said:

Hey bud, I have read your posts in about 200+ threads, and they do express how much dislike you have JR and MH, but I think it's time you stop beating the dead horse. 

We get it, you don't like them, but your constant bickering really takes away from what you could really offer to the message board. You are losing your normal "great contributor" and turning into "Nancy, the office intern everyone hates because she/he just gripes about her/his personal issues. (gender equality proof)"

Your stance is obvious, but now that things are already in motion, you should avoid getting worked up and start posting like you used to.

Nah.

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Hurney's drafts between 2009-2011 were dreadful.  Trading a 1st round pick to select Brown.  Fiammetta in the 4th round.  Clausen.  The only good players we came away from those 3 drafts combined were Munnerlyn, Hardy, and Newton.  I guess LaFell if you wanna count him.  How in one of the most loaded drafts ever (2011) we only came away with 1 contributor (albeit Newton) is sad.  We weren't even getting good depth players.

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5 minutes ago, Mage said:

Hurney's drafts between 2009-2011 were dreadful.  Trading a 1st round pick to select Brown.  Fiammetta in the 4th round.  Clausen.  The only good players we came away from those 3 drafts combined were Munnerlyn, Hardy, and Newton.  I guess LaFell if you wanna count him.  How in one of the most loaded drafts ever (2011) we only came away with 1 contributor (albeit Newton) is sad.  We weren't even getting good depth players.

People seem to ignore 2002-2008. Hurney wasn’t hired in 2009.

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13 minutes ago, Mage said:

Hurney's drafts between 2009-2011 were dreadful.  Trading a 1st round pick to select Brown.  Fiammetta in the 4th round.  Clausen.  The only good players we came away from those 3 drafts combined were Munnerlyn, Hardy, and Newton.  I guess LaFell if you wanna count him.  How in one of the most loaded drafts ever (2011) we only came away with 1 contributor (albeit Newton) is sad.  We weren't even getting good depth players.

Man, I don't think many GM's hit after round 2 in that draft. 1st round was very loaded, but after that the talent becomes average at best.

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