Current Grade: Incomplete

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, top dawg said:

It's a judgement call.  You can second guess them all. 

Perhaps.

What I can't second guess is that Butker is eight years younger than Gano and will cost around 4.5 to 5 million less in salary for similar results.

There's no real way to put a positive spin on that.

[top dawg]

1 minute ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

 

Yeah, somehow all the posters on an internet football forum know Gano's capabilities better than the head coach.

Seems plausible.

Like Gano hasn't made a marked number of 50+ yarders. 

Everyone knows that FGs aren't guaranteed.  

Come on,  man.  

[top dawg]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Perhaps.

What I can't second guess is that Butker is eight years younger than Gano and will cost around 4.5 to 5 million less in salary for similar results.

There's no real way to put a positive spin on that.

I guess,  if you call the results "similar."

Sometimes it's best to go with what you know,  especially with a job as critical as the kicker.  Gano won the kicking battle, lest we forget. He then went on to have probably his best season. I'm not crying over the money that was spent. 

This season,  if we decide to pay him,  it's all good.  If not,  then we can go find someone else that will hopefully  put up results similar or better to Butker's. It can't be that hard. Philly did it when their kicker went down. 

 

[NanuqoftheNorth]

Just now, top dawg said:

Like Gano hasn't made a marked number of 50+ yarders. 

Everyone knows that FGs aren't guaranteed.  

Come on,  man.  

Let's not kid ourselves. 

It was obvious at the start of the regular season that Rivera had lost confidence in Gano's ability to make game time 50 yard field goals. 

Who could blame Rivera for that?

[Moo Daeng]

He should have kept Butker but that doesn't tarnish decisions currently being made. They can be good decisions independent of previous decisions. Especially the previous decisions that take hindsight to judge.  

[top dawg]

8 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Let's not kid ourselves. 

It was obvious at the start of the regular season that Rivera had lost confidence in Gano's ability to make game time 50 yard field goals. 

Who could blame Rivera for that?

I don't believe that the litmus test was 50 yard field goals,  but ALL field goals.  It's not like he's ever been John Kasay.

I'm of the belief that unless you do have a Kasay,  Gostkowski,  or Venatieri, for example, that you need to bring in competition as a matter of course. You never know when you'll luck up on that guy.  In my opinion,  Gano had a great year,  but he still isn't that guy. From Butker's performance,  I don't think he's that guy either. 

[Paa Langfart]

So are we going to get an aunt b bitching about Marty Hurney thread once a week now ?

Why the fug don't you go join another forum if you have nothing positive to say about our team you jackass?

[Toomers]

  Incomplete is appropriate. Nothing really major except KB trade. No problem with the trade itself. It was the lack of trying to sign someone after that during the second half of the year. I know options are limited, but we only needed a 4th WR who could provide some help and be there in case of injuries. The Samuel and the Byrd injuries really wrecked this plan. More interested to see how the 3rd gets used. Another factor that kept occurring to me, especially with KB going down every couple games, was that if he got hurt seriously again that 8.5M option would have been guaranteed for this year. Trade was fine, just should have followed up. 

  The Ks thing was simple. Two Ks of similar ability, as evidenced by the decision to carry them both, you go with younger and cheaper. Never liked this move. But at least Gano had a great year. So we’ll see what happens with him going forward. Personally, I want that K salary down to 550K. 

[NanuqoftheNorth]

2 minutes ago, Toomers said:

The Ks thing was simple. Two Ks of similar ability, as evidenced by the decision to carry them both, you go with younger and cheaper. Never liked this move. But at least Gano had a great year. So we’ll see what happens with him going forward. Personally, I want that K salary down to 550K. 

This.

[RealisticPanther]

20 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Let's not kid ourselves. 

It was obvious at the start of the regular season that Rivera had lost confidence in Gano's ability to make game time 50 yard field goals. 

Who could blame Rivera for that?

He could blame himself. You have to trust your kicker no matter how hard of a time he's having, or you lose anyways. Similarly, you have to trust your QB and keep your playbook open even if he's playing bad or having a hard time, otherwise---you lose anyways. We see this over and over again, its a fact. So Rivera has himself to blame for those stupid decisions.

Yea, Gano had a bad season the year previous, like a lot of kickers with the moved extra point, but prior to that he made 50+ yarders at a good rate.

[top dawg]

18 minutes ago, Paa Langfart said:

So are we going to get an aunt b bitching about Marty Hurney thread once a week now ?

Why the fug don't you go join another forum if you have nothing positive to say about our team you jackass?

What are you saying?  Are you essentially saying that some can't stand anyone saying anything remotely positive about Hurney, so as opposed to explicitly telling people they're full of poo for saying that Hurney has done a decent job so far---as little and/or seemingly routine as it is---that they wrap it up in a premature grade thread that's really just another bash-Hurney thread? 

*giggle*

[NanuqoftheNorth]

10 minutes ago, top dawg said:

What are you saying?  Are you essentially saying that some can't stand anyone saying anything remotely positive about Hurney, so as opposed to explicitly telling people they're full of poo for saying that Hurney has done a decent job so far---as little and/or seemingly routine as it is---that they wrap it up in a premature grade thread that's really a bash Hurney thread? 

OP believes Hurney 2.0's grade is incomplete and provides a well reasoned argument to back up his position. 

A wait and see approach.

This sort of thread should be expected when other posters spend the day claiming what Hurney has accomplished during the few months he's been back indicates he's turned over a new leaf, that Marty's doing a great job and his previous 10 years as GM are now irrelevant.

 

 

[TheRed]

Mr. Scot, at some point you're gonna need to come up for air. You've had your head firmly up Hurney's ass for the past month.

[top dawg]

24 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

OP believes Hurney 2.0's grade is incomplete and provides a well reasoned argument to back up his position. 

A wait and see approach.

This sort of thread should be expected when other posters spend the day claiming what Hurney has accomplished during the few months he's been back indicates he's turned over a new leaf, that Marty's doing a great job and his previous 10 years as GM are now irrelevant.

 

 

 

I haven't seen too many people claim that Hurney has turned over a new leaf, so much as he is SAYING the right things.  Everyone should know that "grading" him for his present work at this point is pretty much pointless, unless you just want to argue,  including saying how bad and terrible that he is or has been.  Telling us that we should have a wait-and-see approach is totally unnecessary. It's obvious that we should be waiting to see what happens and go from there.  The same rationale should be used when bashing the man for what he's doing now.