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Panthers FO no known interest in Sherman. Very likely a 49er.

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36 minutes ago, Snake said:

I doubt we would have interest right now. I mean I would not want to take anything more than a prove it deal. Dude blew out both achillies. 

I doubt he'll ever be the same. But saying he ruptured both achilles is false. It was only one. The second surgery was to clean bone spurs. If it was a second rupture, he wouldn't be ready at all this year.

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19 minutes ago, La Pantera said:

I doubt he'll ever be the same. But saying he ruptured both achilles is false. It was only one. The second surgery was to clean bone spurs. If it was a second rupture, he wouldn't be ready at all this year.

Either way a CB at his age with a Achilles injury is not good. 

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I am fine not picking up Sherman but I would like Norman. And honestly he was willing to sign for 10 million last time. If he wants to come home and win the Superbowl this time we can pay him as much as anyone else within reason. Year 1 is always very cap friendly because his salary is pretty much the signing bonus. It is year 3 and 4 and the guaranteed amount that would be the sticking points. Still we have a number of players who are retiring after this year so we should have plenty next year.

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3 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

I am fine not picking up Sherman but I would like Norman. And honestly he was willing to sign for 10 million last time. If he wants to come home and win the Superbowl this time we can pay him as much as anyone else within reason. Year 1 is always very cap friendly because his salary is pretty much the signing bonus. It is year 3 and 4 and the guaranteed amount that would be the sticking points. Still we have a number of players who are retiring after this year so we should have plenty next year.

  Stop. There is no way Norman was going to play for 10M/yr? Honestly is far from the word you should use when making a statement like that. 

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8 minutes ago, Toomers said:

  Stop. There is no way Norman was going to play for 10M/yr? Honestly is far from the word you should use when making a statement like that. 

At the time we were at 9 million and Norman was at 11. We were within 2 million if I remember correctly. Everyone knew he could get more on the open market but he wanted to play here. After his agent screwed up playing hardball and Norman fired him, he asked Gettleman to go back to the table with his new agent. Gettleman said too.late, hit the road. But yeah it was more about a pissing contest that could have been resolved pretty easily. 

 

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1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

At the time we were at 9 million and Norman was at 11. We were within 2 million if I remember correctly. Everyone knew he could get more on the open market but he wanted to play here. After his agent screwed up playing hardball and Norman fired him, he asked Gettleman to go back to the table with his new agent. Gettleman said too.late, hit the road. But yeah it was more about a pissing contest that could have been resolved pretty easily. 

 

Show me anything to back that up. Players don’t get tagged for 14M and accept 10M/yr. The number was around 12M with huge guaranteed. We saw his market value. He wanted a big payday and I don’t blame him one bit. 

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Show me anything to back that up. Players don’t get tagged for 14M and accept 10M/yr. The number was around 12M with huge guaranteed. We saw his market value. He wanted a big payday and I don’t blame him one bit. 

The problem with any conversation that gets reported in an interview during contract negotiations is separating the posturing from the reality. We already know Norman's agent wouldn't negotiate in good faith which is why Gettleman rescinded the tag.  But still 10 million or 12 million in the end can be manipulated with back loaded contracts or managing the guaranteed money so that you can sign who you want which is the point. I think after Norman came back to Gettleman and wanted another chance, Gettleman  had the upper hand and could have negotiated a good deal. Even now a trade makes sense. His salary is 13.5 this year then 11 million and 12 million but only this year is guaranteed and that might be injury if he is on the roster after the fifth day of the 2018 season.  Just convert some of his salary to signing bonus to cut his cap hit to 7 million  and his dead cap next year would only be the rest of the signing bonus. 

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34 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

The problem with any conversation that gets reported in an interview during contract negotiations is separating the posturing from the reality. We already know Norman's agent wouldn't negotiate in good faith which is why Gettleman rescinded the tag.  But still 10 million or 12 million in the end can be manipulated with back loaded contracts or managing the guaranteed money so that you can sign who you want which is the point. I think after Norman came back to Gettleman and wanted another chance, Gettleman  had the upper hand and could have negotiated a good deal. Even now a trade makes sense. His salary is 13.5 this year then 11 million and 12 million but only this year is guaranteed and that might be injury if he is on the roster after the fifth day of the 2018 season.  Just convert some of his salary to signing bonus to cut his cap hit to 7 million  and his dead cap next year would only be the rest of the signing bonus. 

And that’s exactly how you end up with a Matt Kalil type contract. And you sure don’t trade for that contract. Seriously? If he isn’t cut, you don’t touch him. 

 He turned down 4/48. He got 5/75 or actually 2/37M all guaranteed. He got what he wanted. You said “honestly he would have signed for 10” and that is nowhere close to true. Bottom line. 

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