Hurney will not shoot fireworks next Thursday.

[saints4lifeagain]

19 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I understand, but I'm not necessarily huge on any of our presumed likely targets at 24, so then I default to how safe a pick is and/or how much upside they have. At the end of the day, I believe that if one of three WRs are available---including Ridley---that they will be more compelling picks than other positions that we could pick up later.

Admittedly, I could be letting my desperation for a receiver get the best of me.

I would certainly agree with that. 

[heel31ok]

On 4/21/2018 at 1:12 PM, Saca312 said:

If Harold Landry is on the board and Marty goes with someone else ...

then he goes with someone else...the good thing about this draft is we have options and can help ourselves in many ways...the thing is if you go DE what/who does that knock out ...there are good DE available throughout this draft..

[Woodie]

5 hours ago, saints4lifeagain said:

I can name a handful of guys that were the same weight their rookie year and had immediate success. All of them, like Landry, had fantastic dip and bend. Unreal athletes. Landry, imo, has rhe potential to be the best pass rusher out of this draft. 

True, but almost all of them were 3-4 OLB's.  The problem with Landry is that he is great when he is able to use his speed and bend to get to the QB, but he gets swallowed up when OL get their hands on him.  He will be a significant liability in run defense and will still need to get bigger and stronger to be a consistent pass rusher at DE.  

[Woodie]

9 hours ago, Adb6368 said:

He’s also the same size as Mario Addison. He’s played DE throughout college. I’m not concerned about his size with his speed and ability. 

That's actually an argument against Landry.  Look how long it took Mario to become a full-time player.  It took him what 7-8 years to learn to play the run.  He's been a part time player for most of his career because he struggled against the run, and Landry will have the same issue if he plays DE in a 4-3.    

And yes, I know Landry is a much better version of Addison, but he will still have the same problems against the run Mario did, and that will keep him on the bench.  While we all want a top notch pass rusher, Landry still has a long way to go as a run stopper and is much more suited to OLB in the 3-4 than DE in a 4-3.

[boney]

4 hours ago, Toomers said:

 Not saying he isn’t good. Just believe he has limitations that place his ceiling much lower than Cooper. Of course, that’s why Cooper was a top 5 pick. And there were signs at Bama of a problem with drops but he did everything else great so it was overlooked. I sure did. Ridley lacks the athletic makeup to overcome what is a similar problem with drops. 

 Besides Moore, I don’t see a big difference in the top 10 at WR. 

  

It sounds like NFL scouts agree with what you are saying.

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“Ridley is the only one worthy of a first-round pick,” said another executive. “There’s nobody in the top 15. He’s not as good as Amari Cooper, but that type.”

Over the years, coaches and scouts have come to classify wide receivers as 1’s, 2’s, 3’s, 4’s and 5’s. Five scouts said Ridley shouldn’t be considered a No. 1 receiver.

“Every offensive coordinator would love him but he doesn’t have the dominant triangle numbers (height, weight, speed) to really be a top-tier guy like Calvin Johnson or Julio (Jones) or A.J. Green,” one scout said. “His size bothers me.”

Not only does Ridley (6-0 ½, 190) lack size, he worked out like a late-round draft choice at the combine. The vertical jump (31 inches) and the broad jump (9-2) were stunningly ordinary. According to one scout whose team throws all kind of current-historical data into a computer to gather positional rankings, Ridley fell somewhere in the 80’s at wide receiver this year.

Ridley wasn’t eligible for the Senior Bowl because of his status as an underclassman but his collegiate coach, Nick Saban, attended for a day. In an interview with NFL Network, it was interesting that Saban would choose to compare Ridley with a player that hasn’t been in uniform in a decade.

“He reminds me of like Keenan McCardell but probably with more speed,” said Saban. “He’ll make a lot of plays in the league.”

Saban was serving as defensive coordinator at Cleveland under Bill Belichick in the early 1990s when McCardell’s career slowly picked up steam. Drafted in the 12th round by Washington in 1991, McCardell forged a distinguished 16-year career with the Browns, Jaguars, Buccaneers, Chargers and Redskins.

The craftiest of route runners, McCardell ranks 23rd all-time in receptions (883) and 33rd in yards (11,373).

At the 1991 combine, McCardell (6-0, 175) ran 4.55 with a vertical of 36 ½ and a broad jump of 10-2.

As good as McCardell was, he was almost never the guy during his career. Someone like Jimmy Smith, Keyshawn Johnson or Antonio Gates was always there to attract coverage. His lone Pro Bowl selection came in 1996.

If Ridley’s career would play out comparable to McCardell’s, would his employer be satisfied?

Yes, probably, but would that team care to expend a first-round draft choice on what essentially was an exceptional possession receiver?

Given the disappointment that teams have experienced drafting wide receivers in the first rounds of the last three drafts, there appears to be growing sentiment that a wideout better be really good to get in Round 1.

“If he’s not a walk-in-the-door No. 1 why do you take a guy high in the first round?” one executive said. “They’re out of spread offenses mostly. They don’t know how to run a route. They don’t have the timing. They don’t know how to get off the press.”

 This is all from Bob McGinn's annual pre-draft write up.

[TheSpecialJuan]

Don't be surprised if Frank Ragnow is the pick at 24. 

[Thompcat]

I've looked at so many players and thought of umpteen dozen scenarios nothing is going to surprise me now.

[PantherCam213]

2 hours ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

Don't be surprised if Frank Ragnow is the pick at 24. 

It wouldn't be the flashy pick, but it would sure fill an area of need this year and next year too.  I wouldn't  be disappointed.

[jasonluckydog]

Nice write up

[FuFuLamePoo]

Imo Jaire Alexander would be a sexy pick. He's a flashy CB who isn't afraid to open his mouth. I'd love that pick though. But CB is one of the most important positions, taking a guy like Alexander would be sweet

At this point I'll be okay as long as it's not Hurst

[BigSyke]

18 minutes ago, FuFuLamePoo said:

Imo Jaire Alexander would be a sexy pick. He's a flashy CB who isn't afraid to open his mouth. I'd love that pick though. But CB is one of the most important positions, taking a guy like Alexander would be sweet

At this point I'll be okay as long as it's not Hurst

 

I wouldn't mind Hurst if they could trade down in 1st round and get an extra 2nd and 3rd or something.

Only problem with that is all the Elite corners and defensive ends would be gone by the end of the 2nd round.......

[TheSpecialJuan]

1 hour ago, PantherCam213 said:

It wouldn't be the flashy pick, but it would sure fill an area of need this year and next year too.  I wouldn't  be disappointed.

Some people here would riot 

[steven8989]

1 hour ago, FuFuLamePoo said:

Imo Jaire Alexander would be a sexy pick. He's a flashy CB who isn't afraid to open his mouth. I'd love that pick though. But CB is one of the most important positions, taking a guy like Alexander would be sweet

At this point I'll be okay as long as it's not Hurst

Hurst in the First!!!!

[Yaboychris28]

This is the one year I have no idea who I want the Panthers to pick.

but If I had to say, Marcus Davenport intrigues me, but I’m sure he’ll be those guys who go earlier than expected