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Panthers one of most over-rated teams

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3 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Hell, honestly most of us here thought we were done. I sure wouldn't have predicted 15 wins and a Super Bowl run at that point, I know that.

I was one as well. That season was the best thing ever. Except, bc of that season, every writer compares us to that team. We just aren’t that team. On paper, we are better than that team but we all know how it goes, anything could happen.

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19 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Lol. In a world full of stats. Gunn started in 2007, Smith in 2011. Even with 4 more years, Ginn has 10 less TDs, only 120 more yards and he has a career 14.0 ypr. Smith has a 16.4 ypr average.

People are underrating Smith and overrating Ginn. Go look at 2011-2015. Ginn’s nowhere near Smith’s run there. Is Smith going to get back to that after suffering through an awful 2016 SF and being the 4th or 5th option last year? Not sure, but this is recency bias and a Saints fan, not reality. @t96 was correct. 

Smith was basically a #1 receiver in Baltimore, of course his overall numbers are better lol. On top of playing in an offense QBd by a guy that literally only throws deep well,in Flacco, while Ginn was stuck in SF with Alex Smith and a conservative offense. 

Ginn dropped 2 balls all year last year. Caught all 10 catchable deep balls thrown his way and had the 3rd highest deep ball catch rate in football. Meanwhile, Torrey was nonexistent in an explosive Philly offense. 

Ginn has more than double the yards Smith has the last 2 years and had the best year of his career.

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55 minutes ago, saints4lifeagain said:

In what freaking world? Lol

 

2 hours ago, Saca312 said:

Really have to disagree with this.

Ginn as a deep threat is far more crisp in route running and against press in comparison to what I’ve seen from Smith. Plus, he’d faster and more athletic. 

Sure, his hands have been hit or miss with us, but at the same time in terms of ability in separation, getting open, and route running, Ginn outclasses Smith.

I think Smith is more or less fine for us and will be good. But if I had a choice between Smith or Ginn, I’d take Ginn in a heartbeat.

Which Ginn?  When he was here he couldn't catch a cold.

 

Panther's Ginn < Smith < Saint's Ginn.

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1 minute ago, saints4lifeagain said:

Ginn dropped some balls, but was still amongst the league leaders in deep catches in Carolina.

Dropped some balls?  Are you kidding, he had one of the worst catch percentages in the league when he left.  He was the league leader in deep drops.

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1 hour ago, saints4lifeagain said:

Smith was basically a #1 receiver in Baltimore, of course his overall numbers are better lol. On top of playing in an offense QBd by a guy that literally only throws deep well,in Flacco, while Ginn was stuck in SF with Alex Smith and a conservative offense. 

Ginn dropped 2 balls all year last year. Caught all 10 catchable deep balls thrown his way and had the 3rd highest deep ball catch rate in football. Meanwhile, Torrey was nonexistent in an explosive Philly offense. 

Ginn has more than double the yards Smith has the last 2 years and had the best year of his career.

Smith was never really a actual 1, him and Boldin would flip flop. And that the difference with Ginn and Smith, Smith was able to beat out other WR for a starting role, meanwhile Ginn kept getting beat out. Arizona signed him with intention of him being the number 2/3 but he got beat out by a rookie John Brown in training camp. There was a point where Ginn was getting beat out by Kyle Williams for reps.

 

Ginn is not that good of a receiver, he just gotten two golden opportunity in weak receiving cores with good QBs. Torrey Smith in Baltimore>>>>>Ginn at any point in his career.  You said Ginn was stuck in SF in a conservative offense (even though Harbaugh isn’t that conservative) well Smith was stuck with Gabbert in SF in a god awful offense.

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8 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Smith was never really a actual 1, him and Boldin would flip flop. And that the difference with Ginn and Smith, Smith was able to beat out other WR for a starting role, meanwhile Ginn kept getting beat out. Arizona signed him with intention of him being the number 2/3 but he got beat out by a rookie John Brown in training camp. There was a point where Ginn was getting beat out by Kyle Williams for reps.

 

Ginn is not that good of a receiver, he just gotten two golden opportunity in weak receiving cores with good QBs. Torrey Smith in Baltimore>>>>>Ginn at any point in his career.  You said Ginn was stuck in SF in a conservative offense (even though Harbaugh isn’t that conservative) well Smith was stuck with Gabbert in SF in a god awful offense.

But we're not talking about as an overall WR. I'd be taking Smith in a heartbeat. I'm talking strictly deep threat, I'm taking Ginn. 

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