There’s only so much one man can do

[Mr. Scot]

And please, for the sake of all that's holy, it's "rogue", not "rouge". We're talking about whether a quarterback should break ranks with his head coach, not what shade of makeup best accentuates his cheek bones.

Autocorrect is not your friend.

[Lumps]

Cam is a tier 2 QB and those who compare him to tier 1 qbs will forever be disspaointed. Need to be realistic about what we have.

on another note I don’t think our coaching even qualifies for a tier unless we got back to the early 1990s.

just pathetic.

[The Lobo]

36 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Moore presents an interesting contrast.

Prior to this game, most people believed that he was a good pick by Hurney and Rivera was making a huge mistake by keeping him on the bench.

Following the results of this game, I saw people talking about how Moore was a bad pick by Hurney and they now understood that Rivera had been wise to keep him out.

I don't really know if either of those things is true. I just think he's a young guy still learning the pro game. Of course every time you say something like that, people point to Calvin Ridley.

Regardless, it's still way too early to declare him anything.

I hear you, but I’m not saying he sucks or is a bad pick, I’m just saying his fumbles cost us big time and blame should not be on Cam. I think Moore is going to be a good player for us, he just had a bad game.

[Darvinsun]

6 hours ago, KendrickPanther said:

Cam's inability to throw a deep ball is becoming obvious. He didn't give anyone a chance on his last three throws. That has nothing to do with coaching, officiating, or "weapons". Its okay to place blame on a player that threw three straight bad passes to end a game.

If Cams deep ball is gone then the coaches should know this and improvised. I dont believe this is the case. We lost. We were lucky to even make it a game in the end, but we never should have been in the predicament in the first place. Our defense is suppose to be our strong point but its actually a weak link. This loss is on the coaches for not having the players ready to play. I believe they took a look at the injury report and overlooked a desperate Skins team just like they did last week. This time it bit them in the butt.

[Definitely Not Trolling]

41 minutes ago, Snake said:

If only we started Moore that game. 

Moore was better

[JARROD]

7 hours ago, thebigcat said:

Totally agree but today he got away from what was working in the end

Chud would have had Cam up by 30 by the half.... kneel at the end,..

thats what was working in the end.

[Borat]

1 hour ago, Lumps said:

Cam is a tier 2 QB and those who compare him to tier 1 qbs will forever be disspaointed. Need to be realistic about what we have.

on another note I don’t think our coaching even qualifies for a tier unless we got back to the early 1990s.

just pathetic.

I'm of the opinion that he's a 'tier 1.5' guy when you take into account the ground threat he represents. 

Main issue, re: realism from the fan base, is that he's probably not even 'tier 2' when it comes to pure passing, but people for some reason expect him to be at least that, given that his overall game is excellent. Fact is,  his talents are not evenly distributed. Even during his MVP year (which he no doubt deserved), his QB rating was 'only' 99.4. There are 11 QBs with 100+ this year right now. 

[Manther]

8 hours ago, tiger7_88 said:

If people still don’t understand the utter incompetence of this head coach, they are beyond reach.

If we miss the playoffs Rivera will be looking for work.

[Snake]

1 hour ago, Lumps said:

Cam is a tier 2 QB and those who compare him to tier 1 qbs will forever be disspaointed. Need to be realistic about what we have.

on another note I don’t think our coaching even qualifies for a tier unless we got back to the early 1990s.

just pathetic.

Cam is Tier 1 and idiots like you that think the Matt Ryan's and Kurt Cousins of this league compare are kidding themselves. I don't know of another QB besides Brady to win a MVP with a cast of WRs as bad as Cam's bar none and they are worse at this point in his career. Hell at least Brady had protection. Cam has had a revolving door at OL his entire career. 

[carpanfan96]

8 hours ago, TheRumGone said:

Brees has lost games at the end

brady has lost games at the end

rodgers has lost games at the end.

 

yall need to fuging chill. Cam has a huge number of comeback victories just like those other three qbs. 

16 in his career so far... 

 

Derek Carr has 14 in 4 years....

Matt Ryan has 26 total

Brady and Brees have over 40 each... 

[carpanfan96]

1 hour ago, Darvinsun said:

If Cams deep ball is gone then the coaches should know this and improvised. I dont believe this is the case. We lost. We were lucky to even make it a game in the end, but we never should have been in the predicament in the first place. Our defense is suppose to be our strong point but its actually a weak link. This loss is on the coaches for not having the players ready to play. I believe they took a look at the injury report and overlooked a desperate Skins team just like they did last week. This time it bit them in the butt.

Cam's now 1-15 or such on throws over 20 yards this season... it's been pretty damn bad and considering that it used to be his saving grace as a passer... He needs to listen to Norv and turn himself into a timing QB that thrives in Norvs system and if he doesn't it's going to be a long season for the offense. Enough of the option stuff because half the time Cam doesn't read it right and just keeps it and tries to be superman. Run more downhill off tackle and off guard with pulls and traps and run play action off of that. Sprinkle in a few qb power runs and power sweeps to keep the defense honest and call in a day. 

[Mr. Scot]

53 minutes ago, Borat said:

I'm of the opinion that he's a 'tier 1.5' guy when you take into account the ground threat he represents. 

Main issue, re: realism from the fan base, is that he's probably not even 'tier 2' when it comes to pure passing, but people for some reason expect him to be at least that, given that his overall game is excellent. Fact is,  his talents are not evenly distributed. Even during his MVP year (which he no doubt deserved), his QB rating was 'only' 99.4. There are 11 QBs with 100+ this year right now. 

Where would you rank Brett Favre?

(or John Elway for that matter)

One of the things that I think sometimes gums up quarterback discussions is that people don't always differentiate between type of quarterback and quality of quarterback. Joe Montana and Jeff Garcia are the same type of quarterback (West Coast) but I don't think anybody would say their of similar quality.

Style wise, Newton falls under the same category as guys like Favre, Roethlisberger and others. Big, tough, high velocity, general vicinity accuracy.

You build a different team around those guys than the kind you build around a Dan Marino or a Drew Brees. Green Bay understood that and built around Favre accordingly. It's on us to do that with Newton also.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

Cam's now 1-15 or such on throws over 20 yards this season... it's been pretty damn bad and considering that it used to be his saving grace as a passer... He needs to listen to Norv and turn himself into a timing QB that thrives in Norvs system and if he doesn't it's going to be a long season for the offense. Enough of the option stuff because half the time Cam doesn't read it right and just keeps it and tries to be superman. Run more downhill off tackle and off guard with pulls and traps and run play action off of that. Sprinkle in a few qb power runs and power sweeps to keep the defense honest and call in a day. 

You agree with Tomlinson then...

[carpanfan96]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Where would you rank Brett Favre?

(or John Elway for that matter)

One of the things that I think sometimes gums up quarterback discussions is that people don't always differentiate between type of quarterback and quality of quarterback. Joe Montana and Jeff Garcia are the same type of quarterback (West Coast) but I don't think anybody would say their of similar quality.

Style wise, Newton falls under the same category as guys like Favre, Roethlisberger and others. Big, tough, high velocity, general vicinity accuracy.

You build a different team around those guys than the kind you build around a Dan Marino or a Drew Brees. Green Bay understood that and built around Favre accordingly. It's on us to do that with Newton also.

You could say till last offseasons that the team hadn't done that one bit. Samuel's, CMC, Moore are the type of quick shift receivers cam needs for his arm strength and propensity to take the deep shot when possible...

 

one problem though, Norv really doesn't fit that mold imo.