There’s only so much one man can do

[carpanfan96]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You agree with Tomlinson then...

To a point, Cam used to be Money on deep throws. led the league or top 5 on throwing percentage on throws over 20 yards. Last few seasons that hasnt been the case at all. Whatever the reason, it doesnt seem to be fixable for whatever reason.So something needs to change. 

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

You could say till last offseasons that the team hadn't done that one bit. Samuel's, CMC, Moore are the type of quick shift receivers cam needs for his arm strength and propensity to take the deep shot when possible...

one problem though, Norv really doesn't fit that mold imo. 

Norv does at least come from the same system we've been running pretty much since 2002. But I'd agree Newton is a lot different from quarterbacks he's coached before. I remember Turner talked a lot in the offseason about incorporating some of the read option stuff into his playbook.

Mind you, among the major pro systems, I'd still consider the Coryell to be the best fit for Newton's skill set, but the Coryell depends a lot on the deep ball and we don't really have that this year.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

To a point, Cam used to be Money on deep throws. led the league or top 5 on throwing percentage on throws over 20 yards. Last few seasons that hasnt been the case at all. Whatever the reason, it doesnt seem to be fixable for whatever reason.So something needs to change. 

There's a lot of speculation about his shoulder.

[carpanfan96]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

There's a lot of speculation about his shoulder.

Going off this and the other post, with the deep shots not there and the coaching staff obviously pushing him to take the easy pass leads me to believe a complete system change is needed and maybe this is the team trying to slowly go away from the old and turn him into a drop back and throw timing qb. Going to be a lot of growing pains in that transition but it's probably best for his career if their is any lingering shoulder issues. 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, carpanfan96 said:

Going off this and the other post, with the deep shots not there and the coaching staff obviously pushing him to take the easy pass leads me to believe a complete system change is needed and maybe this is the team trying to slowly go away from the old and turn him into a drop back and throw timing qb. Going to be a lot of growing pains in that transition but it's probably best for his career if their is any lingering shoulder issues. 

That's not an easy transition though, for any quarterback.

[carpanfan96]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

That's not an easy transition though, for any quarterback.

No it's not and for Cam it's going to be especially tough. Not because he can't do it cause imo he can but because of his aggressiveness and swagger/cockiness in the field. 

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

No it's not and for Cam it's going to be especially tough. Not because he can't do it cause imo he can but because of his aggressiveness and swagger/cockiness in the field. 

Newton is used to being a big play guy. He thrives on it. Getting him to be methodical is kinda like asking a puncher to concentrate on boxing, or a home run hitter to bunt, or The Ultimate Warrior to concentrate on technical wrestling.

(I'd have used a more modern wrestler for that analogy but I don't really know that many of them) 

[TheRumGone]

2 hours ago, carpanfan96 said:

16 in his career so far... 

 

Derek Carr has 14 in 4 years....

Matt Ryan has 26 total

Brady and Brees have over 40 each... 

Nice they’ve also played in a fug ton more games then Cam has minus Carr. 

[TheRed]

7 hours ago, carpanfan96 said:

16 in his career so far... 

 

Derek Carr has 14 in 4 years....

Matt Ryan has 26 total

Brady and Brees have over 40 each... 

Not sure if you're just venting or what, I was definitely bummed about the loss too. But this rhetoric is beneath you. Be better. Don't be another jackass low IQ Facebook Panthers fan

[Mr Mojo Risin]

15 hours ago, thebigcat said:

Cam is all world talent but when it counted the most today, his read progressions at the end were awful...

Brady wins that game at the end

Brees wins that game at the end

Rothlisberger just beat the Bengals at the end

Rodgers wins that game in the end

 

I'm sure there are PLENTY more examples, but uh I remember a game from some what recent memory where Rodgers was 8 yards from the end zone needed to throw a TD to WIN THE GAME and he threw an interception to Thomas Davis and lost the game. Believe it or not...these guys are human and make mistakes and so is Cam it is unfortunate we lost but let's not act like what happened yesterday was only because of Cam. We have a better 1st half and we aren't relying on a game winning drive to win the game. It should have NEVER been that close to begin with.

[Davidson Deac II]

11 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

We used to have 40 page arguments about Delhomme on a weekly basis, win or lose.

Agreed, and probably would have had them about Buerlein or Kerry Collins, (and especially Rodney Peete), had the boards existed then. I remember last year wandering over to the Patriots board, and seeing someone ask if it was time for Brady to retire.  Of course, that was only one poster, and he was roasted.  But unless a qb is one of the handful of elite qb's, he is going to get slammed by a significant percentage of message board commandos. 

[Davidson Deac II]

8 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

There's a lot of speculation about his shoulder.

He looked great on the TD to funchess, best I can remember, that was a deep throw, ie more than 25 yards in the air. 

[Davidson Deac II]

8 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Newton is used to being a big play guy. He thrives on it. Getting him to be methodical is kinda like asking a puncher to concentrate on boxing, or a home run hitter to bunt, or The Ultimate Warrior to concentrate on technical wrestling.

(I'd have used a more modern wrestler for that analogy but I don't really know that many of them) 

He methodically lead us down the field, getting us into position to have a shot at a td.  I don't blame him for the shot to CMC really (although I felt like getting the td there would have left way to much time on the clock) but the goal of the next two plays should have been first down exclusively.  I partially blame the coaching staff for this as well, for not making that point to him. 

 

In reality, this is the second game in a row that we have had issues with last minute drives.  Fortunately, Gano bailed us out with a record kick last week.  But it shouldn't have come to that.  We should have been able to get closer than 63 yards.  I like Rivera for the most part, but end game coaching is not his strong suite.  I hoped Norv would help improve on that, but so far he has not. 

[SpeedOFLight]

17 hours ago, thebigcat said:

Cam is all world talent but when it counted the most today, his read progressions at the end were awful...

Brady wins that game at the end

Brees wins that game at the end

Rothlisberger just beat the Bengals at the end

Rodgers wins that game in the end

 

Not all the time. It happens tho. I was upset at the end of the game too but every QB misses. I think people forgot when we played Rodgers that one year where he had someone wide open and forced it to someone who Davis picked off..it happens y’all. We will regroup and come back