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1 minute ago, trueblade said:

I consider Jeff Fisher and John Fox as coaches in the Rivera mold.

Bears fired Fox, got Nagy. The results appear to be positive.
Rams fired Fisher, got McVay. The results appear to be positive.

Rivera is miles better than Fisher and marginally better than Fox. He's Harbaugh with a better personality and an actual ability to relate to his players (but not win when it counts).

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The best description I could probably give Ron Rivera right now is that he's a less successful version of Pete Carroll.

Carroll was never really that great of an NFL coach, but his success at USC convinced Seattle to give him another shot. An amazing draft by John Schneider helped catapult him to success but dimbulb coaching by Carroll helped derail that train. Team talent has seemingly been withering on the vine since and  they've fallen back to Earth.

This past offseason, Carroll chose to gut his staff. Results so far are mixed.

 

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Just now, Mr. Scot said:

The best description I could probably give Ron Rivera right now is that he's a less successful version of Pete Carroll.

Carroll was never really that great of an NFL coach, but his success at USC convinced Seattle to give him another shot. An amazing draft by John Schneider helped catapult him to success but team talent has seemingly been withering on the vine since and  they've fallen back to Earth.

 

He's really not far off Carroll. You take away Carroll's SB win and they're about identical. A coach with half a brain, given Carroll's team, would have two rings. 

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2 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

He's really not far off Carroll. You take away Carroll's SB win and they're about identical. A coach with half a brain, given Carroll's team, would have two rings. 

Both of them can be said to have derailed potential Super Bowl victories with dumbass decisions. Carroll's dimwitted moment came during the game. Rivera's came before it even began.

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1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Both of them can be said to have derailed potential Super Bowl victories with dumbass decisions. Carroll's dimwitted moment came during the game. Rivera's came before it even began.

Each are also masters of having their teams fall into giant holes in the first half, only to make stirring comebacks to lose by less than a touchdown.

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2 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

Each are also masters of having their teams fall into giant holes in the first half, only to make stirring comebacks to lose by less than a touchdown.

Which likely has a lot to do with their quarterbacks.

Rivera's also been known to build a lead, sit on it and watch it get chipped away.

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Rivers is becoming another Fox. Defensive minded coach with very similar philosophies. Rivera has a real QB and not a jag that has bailed him out so much it is ridiculous. He refuses to adapt and is not a strategist. A terrible team would benifit from his ability but he is not going to improve at this point, only grow more inadequate as the league moves along and he stands firm in his ways. Maybe he pulls a Dungy and figures it out but his heels have been firmly planted for some time and it's very frustrating as a fan. Hurry up offense? Only when it is too late even with suscess when we use it. Play vets over young and better options, always. Learn clock management and situational playcalling? What's all that?

It's a shame because of all he does bring to the table but he is looking like Fox 2.0 for us. Nice dude, but not getting it done and I dont expect him to at this point.

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1 minute ago, Move the Panthers to Raleigh said:

Fox had Weinke, Peete, Delhomme, Moore, Testaverde, St. Pierre, and Clausen as QBs. I’d say he did well considering. Give Rivera that same lineup and he’s probably below Fox in winning percentage.

Very possible, and part of what bugs me.

You have superstars on both sides of the ball in Newton and Kuechly (another potential great in McCaffrey now) and as complete a roster as any I've seen in 2015, yet you still can't seal the deal?

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