If you can only fire one,who goes Hurney or Rivera?

[panther4life]

5 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Marty is a middle aged man that had a decade in his prime years to figure out the GM gig and couldn't do it.

He was so bad at it, he became progressively worse (not better) as the years went by and was ultimately fired for it.

It would be foolish to entrust the future of the Panthers to such a person. 

We wouldn't even be having this discussion if not for a foolish octogenarian that was barred from the team headquarters and ultimately forced to sell the franchise thanks to his diminished capacity to make wise decisions.  

Do you disagree that he has shown improvement this year? If so we will have to agree to disagree. I stand by my opinon that he has learned from past mistakes and so far his actions support that case in my opinion

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Car123 said:

Stop with the fake news. Hurney was plenty qualified to become GM.

San Diego Chargers (1990–1997)
GM Assistant

Carolina Panthers (1998)
Director of Football Administration

Carolina Panthers (1999–2001)
Director of Player Operations

I'm missing the years and years of scouting background in there 

[panther4life]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Eeehhh, not really. What you've actually done is made a pretty ridiculous argument that I guess makes sense in your head, but not in the real world.

I don't give a rat's ass what our record is if we make the playoffs as long as we make the playoffs and are competitive in them.

I don't give a s--t whether the GM is the guy I wanted or not as long as he's successful.

Gettleman's was. Hurney isn't.

Gettleman's is gone. Hurney should be.

It's not that difficult.

This is the point where we have to agree to disagree. We’ve both stated our opinions and argued strongly for them. Now we are at a stalemate in terms of coming to an agreement on the matter and continuing on would simply be a waste of energy for both of us. 

For the record I don’t think Gettlemans stint here  merits the term success. Nor do I think Hurneys first stint here merits it either. What I do believe is Hurney has shown improvement this year. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, panther4life said:

Do you disagree that he has shown improvement this year? If so we will have to agree to disagree. I stand by my opinon that he has leaerned from past mistakes and so far his actions support that case in my opinon

"Improvement" can be whatever you want it to be.

Win-loss records are objective.

Ours isn't very good.

[panther4life]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

"Improvement" can be whatever you want it to be.

Win-loss records are objective.

Ours isn't very good.

The whole point of this thread was to get a consensus on whos holding who back more this year. Hurney or Rivera. I and most others voted Rivera is failing us more than Hurney has this year.

Funny you mention win-loss records, when you’ve stated you don’t give a rats ass what the record is as long as it gets us into the playoffs.

[NanuqoftheNorth]

1 minute ago, Car123 said:

Stop with the fake news. Hurney was plenty qualified to become GM.

San Diego Chargers (1990–1997)
GM Assistant

Carolina Panthers (1998)
Director of Football Administration

Carolina Panthers (1999–2001)
Director of Player Operations

You left off a significant part of Hurney's resume.

Fired for general incompetence and an inability to field a winning squad for 4 years running.

Followed by an additional 5 years without a job in the league.

 

[LinvilleGorge]

7 minutes ago, Randolph Panther said:

I would bring in a new GM and keep Rivera for one more year.  

I would've already fired Hurney and kickstarted my GM search (I honestly hope Tepper has essentially already done this behind closed doors) so that my new GM wouldn't be behind the eight ball when it comes to finding his head coach.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, panther4life said:

The whole point of this thread was to get a consensus on whos holding who back more this year. Hurney or Rivera. I and most others voted Rivera is failing us more than Hurney has this year.

Funny you mention win-loss records, when you’ve stated you don’t give a rats ass what the record is as long as it gets us into the playoffs.

We're not making the playoffs this year.

And the problem with the thread is that the premise is flawed.

Hurney and Rivera are a unit. The team as it stands is the result of the two of them working together. That's how it works.

Again, if you only fire one (false premise, but okay) and you wanna know who to fire, you look at who's had more success independently of the other.

That's Rivera, so you fire Hurney.

Simple.

[Car123]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm missing the years and years of scouting background in there 

Stop playing stupid. He scouted prior to being GM. That's one of the roles of director of football operations. He helped scout Steve Smith, Dan Morgan, Kris Jenkins, etc. 

[panther4life]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

We're not making the playoffs this year.

And the problem with the thread is that the premise is flawed.

Hurney and Rivera are a unit. The team as it stands is the result of the two of them working together. That's how it works.

Again, if you only fire one (false premise, but okay) and you wanna know who to fire, you look at who's had more success independently of the other.

That's Rivera, so you fire Hurney.

Simple.

No Hurney and Rivera are not adjoined at the hip. You’re hatred for Hurney’s past does not allow you to be objective in that matter of realizing he held up his end of the bargain this offseason by giving Rivera a team with enough talent to make the playoffs. Rivera has failed on his end of the bargain.

Bottom line is I’m okay if we clean house and start fresh with both positions. I’m also okay with retaining Hurney and replacing Rivera. The one scenario I do not wish to see is Rivera coming back regardless of who the GM is.

[Car123]

11 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

You left off a significant part of Hurney's resume.

Fired for general incompetence and an inability to field a winning squad for 4 years running.

Followed by an additional 5 years without a job in the league.

 

2004 injuries to our pro bowlers (Smith, Stephen Davis, Jenkins, etc.). We were one win away from making the playoffs. 

2007 prime Delhomme out for the season after a hot start.

Do you put those seasons on Hurney?

[Car123]

13 minutes ago, Billy_T said:

Buffalo Bills (1986) Scouting intern Buffalo Bills (1987–1993) Scout Denver Broncos (1994–1997) Scout New York Giants (1998) Scout New York Giants (1999–2011) Pro personnel director New York Giants (2012) Senior pro personnel analyst Carolina Panthers (2013–2017) General manager New York Giants (2018–present) General manager
Career highlights and awards
As executive 2× Super Bowl champion (XLII, XLVI) 4× NFC Champion (2000, 2007, 2011, 2015) As administrator 5× AFC Champion (1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1997) Super Bowl champion (XXXII)

Did the NFL levy two fines on reid prior to last week?

[panther4life]

7 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Stop playing stupid. He scouted prior to being GM. That's one of the roles of director of football operations. He helped scout Steve Smith, Dan Morgan, Kris Jenkins, etc. 

He has a history of doing such and lacks any ability to swallow his pride. He’s not dumb by any measure, however he does have an Ego that’s not outfitted for his brain. So in an attempt to seem like a more knowledgeable fan than everyone else, he plays dumb and tries to put a spin on others comments, to belittle them and in the process prop himself up. I’ve noticed this trend for far too long and for some reason today, I just had enough of it and am taking a stand against it. 

This is a forum filled with fans who have the same thing uniting us and we are all entititled to our opinions, but I don’t like his tactics of passively aggressively attacking others and pretending his opinion warrants more validation than that of the masses.

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Stop playing stupid. He scouted prior to being GM. That's one of the roles of director of football operations. He helped scout Steve Smith, Dan Morgan, Kris Jenkins, etc. 

So you're not playing? 

Let's say I accept your premise, that means that Marty had a whole 3 years of experience before being placed in charge of every single aspect of roster building.

In better organizations than Jerry Richardson's Panthers, most guys need more than that just to get a title like "National Scout", still more to get a post like Director of College Scouting, and success at both of those previous jobs to even be considered for a GM job.

Ah, but you know old Jerry...

This is essentially the equivalent of taking a guy who's been an office manager for three years and making him CEO of a Fortune 500 company.

No wonder he sucked at the job.

Here's to hoping tapper hires somebody with better qualifications than Michael Scott.