Tepper won't speak

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, GeorgeHanson said:

Minority owners are just along for the ride, they control nothing.  Just as neither Johnny Harris nor Smokey Bissell ever had anything to do with day-to-day operations of the Panthers, Tepper and Haslam had zero to do with the operations of the Steelers -- passive investors, nothing more.

Out of curiosity, what do you consider David Tepper's core-competency to be?  In your eyes what is he an expert at?

You're missing the point.

It doesn't matter.

Building a winning football team is a skill set in and of itself.  Part of it is knowing who to trust with running your operation. and being that nobody else is looking for a GM right now, Tepper could have pretty much anybody he wanted.

But he's choosing to put his trust into two guys who can't even manage a 500 record when working together.

You want to say he's good at choosing talented people? Maybe in the business and financial world he is, but he's never done it in the football world. It's not the same, not even close.

And frankly, his first choices don't exactly show a lot of promise.

 

[Pejorative Miscreant]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

 

But he's choosing to put his trust into two guys who can't even manage a 500 record when working together.

You want to say he's good at choosing talented people? Maybe in the business and financial world he is, but he's never done it in the football world. It's not the same, not even close.

 

 

I think you are overreacting to the fact he chose not to fire Ron and Marty.  Doesn’t necessarily mean he is putting his trust in them.   Could mean that he is keeping them close until he gets his feet under him because he realizes he has never “done it in the football world”. 

I don’t think he made his billions by reaching and overreacting.  A bit of patience may be necessary. 

[Snake]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You're missing the point.

It doesn't matter.

Building a winning football team is a skill set in and of itself.  Part of it is knowing who to trust with running your operation. and being that nobody else is looking for a GM right now, Tepper could have pretty much anybody he wanted.

But he's choosing to put his trust into two guys who can't even manage a 500 record when working together.

You want to say he's good at choosing talented people? Maybe in the business and financial world he is, but he's never done it in the football world. It's not the same, not even close.

And frankly, his first choices don't exactly show a lot of promise.

 

Yup and these moves are setting us back years. I was hoping for a fresh start without major errors but it seems Tepper will be learning the hard way\ Richardson way. I actually question if he really even cares about winning. The easiest way to run the Panthers is keeping everyone in place.

[GeorgeHanson]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You're missing the point.

It doesn't matter.

Building a winning football team is a skill set in and of itself.  Part of it is knowing who to trust with running your operation. and being that nobody else is looking for a GM right now, Tepper could have pretty much anybody he wanted.

But he's choosing to put his trust into two guys who can't even manage a 500 record when working together.

You want to say he's good at choosing talented people? Maybe in the business and financial world he is, but he's never done it in the football world. It's not the same, not even close.

And frankly, his first choices don't exactly show a lot of promise.

 

Trust me, it does matter.  Again, what do you believe Tepper's core-competency to be?

Has Hurney's return been officially confirmed?  I share your concerns there, if he is allowed to stay in the GM role again next year I too will be disappointed.

With that said, in fairness to Marty we really have no idea what his true capabilities are. 

As per your thesis, Jerry Richardson never trusted anyone to run the show and was constantly meddling, Marty might actually be better than we think he is (I highly doubt it too, but Tepper is operating with a lot better information than us).

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, GeorgeHanson said:

Trust me, it does matter.  Again, what do you believe Tepper's core-competency to be?

Has Hurney's return been officially confirmed?  I share your concerns there, if he is allowed to stay in the GM role again next year I too will be disappointed.

With that said, in fairness to Marty we really have no idea what his true capabilities are. 

As per your thesis, Jerry Richardson never trusted anyone to run the show and was constantly meddling, Marty might actually be better than we think he is (I highly doubt it too, but Tepper is operating with a lot better information than us).

Actually, I don't buy the idea that all of Hurney's mistakes are attributable to Jerry Richardson. Having talked to some people with contacts behind the scenes, he made plenty of his own mistakes.

Beyond that, it's just not reality. Even hands on NFL owners don't dictate every little roster decision to their GM's. There'd be no point in having a GM.

and yes, temper is operating with better information than us. Again, that doesn't guarantee that he makes good decisions.

[GeorgeHanson]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Actually, I don't buy the idea that all of Hurney's mistakes are attributable to Jerry Richardson. Having talked to some people with contacts behind the scenes, he made plenty of his own mistakes.

Beyond that, it's just not reality. Even hands on NFL owners don't dictate every little roster decision to their GM's. There'd be no point in having a GM.

and yes, temper is operating with better information than us. Again, that doesn't guarantee that he makes good decisions.

It is a reality and that's why Gettleman left, Jerry wanted to do his job too.

Underestimate Tepper at your own risk, everyone who ever did so has been proven wrong. 

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, Pejorative Miscreant said:

I think you are overreacting to the fact he chose not to fire Ron and Marty.  Doesn’t necessarily mean he is putting his trust in them.   Could mean that he is keeping them close until he gets his feet under him because he realizes he has never “done it in the football world”. 

I don’t think he made his billions by reaching and overreacting.  A bit of patience may be necessary. 

If he needs to get his feet under him, there's a simple answer that's also a very popular trend right now.

Consultant.

And fortune smiles in that case because a very successful GM, that guy known for building a top-flight scouting department, just happens to be retiring this season. That guy could examine the whole operation from top to bottom and make recommendations.

So why not go that route?

[GeorgeHanson]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

If he needs to get his feet under him, there's a simple answer that's also a very popular trend right now.

Consultant.

And fortune smiles in that case because a very successful GM, that guy known for building a top-flight scouting department, just happens to be retiring this season. That guy could examine the whole operation from top to bottom and make recommendations.

So why not go that route?

Consultant?  You cannot be serious?

Which consulting firm do you suggest Tepper should hire?

Any thoughts yet on what you consider Tepper's core-competency to be?

[Pejorative Miscreant]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

If he needs to get his feet under him, there's a simple answer that's also a very popular trend right now.

Consultant.

And fortune smiles in that case because a very successful GM, that guy known for building a top-flight scouting department, just happens to be retiring this season. That guy could examine the whole operation from top to bottom and make recommendations.

So why not go that route?

Agree.  What if he did and “consultant” said stick with Rivera and Hurney? I’d say he has advisors and consultants coming out of places he didn’t know existed.  

I for one want to give him the benefit of the doubt for a while. Can totally see your point of view. Just don’t subscribe to it. Yet...

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, GeorgeHanson said:

It is a reality and that's why Gettleman left, Jerry wanted to do his job too.

Underestimate Tepper at your own risk, everyone who ever did so has been proven wrong. 

If you think Jerry Richardson dictated Dave Gettleman's decisions, explain Steve Smith.

Heck, explain Josh Norman.

Richardson didn't want to "do his job". He wanted to have somebody that he liked, and who wouldn't disagree with him, do his job.

We know from behind the scenes info that Richardson never really wanted to fire Hurney in the first place. Hurney was basically "GM for life" per Darin Gantt, and success or failure didn't mean anything. But as Joe Person reported, when Richardson was ready to fire Ron Rivera, Hurney fell on the sword to save him.

But then after working some with somebody who he didn't like, even though that person was significantly more successful, Richardson decided that loyalty and personality were more important than success, and here we are.

As to Tepper, he absolutely still has a chance to be a good owner in the long term. Obviously, I hope he will be.

But right now, he's making a couple of big mistakes, mistakes that will make getting to that eventual success harder.

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, GeorgeHanson said:

Consultant?  You cannot be serious?

Which consulting firm do you suggest Tepper should hire?

Any thoughts yet on what you consider Tepper's core-competency to be?

You seriously can't tell who I'm hinting at from that post?

Really?

 

4 minutes ago, Pejorative Miscreant said:

Agree.  What if he did and “consultant” said stick with Rivera and Hurney? I’d say he has advisors and consultants coming out of places he didn’t know existed.  

I for one want to give him the benefit of the doubt for a while. Can totally see your point of view. Just don’t subscribe to it. Yet...

Understand, I'm not saying he'll never be successful.

I am saying his current choices are a  Mongolian Cluster @#&$ waiting to happen.

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

we got ourselves a mike brown boys

[RenoCarolina]

Tepper's "core competency" is the same as every other wealthy person.  He buys low and sells high. 

But comparing the Panthers purchase to his every day business is apples to oranges.  This was an ego purchase.  Which I totally do not have a problem with because I know the end game for that has to be a benefit to both the casual fan and the fanatic.  Anyone who expected sudden changes is going to be disappointed.

 

[GeorgeHanson]

16 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

If you think Jerry Richardson dictated Dave Gettleman's decisions, explain Steve Smith.

Heck, explain Josh Norman.

Richardson didn't want to "do his job". He wanted to have somebody that he liked, and who wouldn't disagree with him, do his job.

We know from behind the scenes info that Richardson never really wanted to fire Hurney in the first place. Hurney was basically "GM for life" per Darin Gantt, and success or failure didn't mean anything. But as Joe Person reported, when Richardson was ready to fire Ron Rivera, Hurney fell on the sword to save him.

But then after working some with somebody who he didn't like, even though that person was significantly more successful, Richardson decided that loyalty and personality were more important than success, and here we are.

As to Tepper, he absolutely still has a chance to be a good owner in the long term. Obviously, I hope he will be.

But right now, he's making a couple of big mistakes, mistakes that will make getting to that eventual success harder.

Easy.

Cam and Jerry didn't want Steve around because he was hurting Cam's feelings.  All Cam had to do was say "guys I got this, I want Smitty on this team and we will work it out between us", simple as that.

Cutting Josh saved Jerry and his partners $13 million.  There is no other explanation.  It was a knee jerk reaction by Jerry, he is very thin-skinned and got mad about all the public rhetoric during negotiations and decided he'd teach Josh a lesson.  He did, to the detriment of the team.

If you can't identify Tepper's core competency you're in no position to evaluate the situation.