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Anderson wasn't good enough for Carolina


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6 minutes ago, je1005 said:

Where’s your evidence that CJ was a locker room problem?

 

I dont have any, but that's where my position of recognizing that I dont know everything and so I shouldn't call for someones head is a better piece of ground to stand on than your - you think you know everything so youre justified in calling someone out is.

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5 minutes ago, Inimicus said:

I can say that folks a lot more football savvy than anyone on this board, as evidenced by the fact that they have at the very least Peter Principled themselves into their positions (still making them more qualified than all of the posters here) made the call to separate CJ from the Org.

Look, Im not trying to get to a conclusion.  Im just not ready to tar and feather anyone over a decision they made with more info than I had to judge that decision on.

They had a lot more access to inside info when they made the decision to draft Jimmy Clausen too.

Being smarter than fans isn't their job. Their job is to be smarter than the guys running the other teams.

They're failing at that job.

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Just now, Mr. Scot said:

They had a lot more access to inside info when they made the decision to draft Jimmy Clausen too.

Being smarter than fans isn't their job. Their job is to be smarter than the guys running the other teams.

They're failing at that job.

What quarterback should Carolina have drafted in 2010 ?

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5 minutes ago, Inimicus said:

I dont have any, but that's where my position of recognizing that I dont know everything and so I shouldn't call for someones head is a better piece of ground to stand on than your - you think you know everything so youre justified in calling someone out is.

This was hardly my personal tipping point for wanting to see a few organizational changes. 

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44 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Watch how the Rams have used him tonight. That'll tell you.

Having a power back available in the red zone gives you a lot of options.

It also helps that the guy played like maybe 4 games this season. His body has taken maybe 1/8th of its usual pounding by this point in the year. He's one of the few guys out there that is truly 100 percent healthy this late into the year.

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2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

They had a lot more access to inside info when they made the decision to draft Jimmy Clausen too.

Being smarter than fans isn't their job. Their job is to be smarter than the guys running the other teams.

They're failing at that job.

And thats a frame of reference that I can get behind.

They're not as good as team X.

I take issue with the idea that folk that post on a message board have any standing to call someone who is paid to do the jobs we all would kill to have stupid.

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Just now, je1005 said:

In Hurney we trust. 

Maybe you...

 

Im guessing not by this exchange but who knows.

Dont confuse me pointing out that you and I dont know everything with me being Marty's guy.  The point Im trying to make is in the specific case of CJ, none of us know what all went in to his separation from the team so we cant fully judge it.

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4 minutes ago, Inimicus said:

I take issue with the idea that folk that post on a message board have any standing to call someone who is paid to do the jobs we all would kill to have stupid.

Let me ask, in earnest:

How should observers not employed by the team approach this, and all future personnel debates?

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12 minutes ago, Car123 said:

What quarterback should Carolina have drafted in 2010 ?

None of the three they drafted.

Hell, that year was a sh--ty draft for quarterbacks in general. Bradford...T-bow, Clausen... Ugh.

Not like the following year was exactly a bonanza. Outside of Newton and Dalton, I can't think of a single quarterback from that year that was even worth a 7th rounder. And it's not like Dalton is exactly a world beaters.

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10 minutes ago, je1005 said:

Let me ask, in earnest:

How should observers not employed by the team approach this, and all future personnel debates?

Fair question

Lets get the obvious out of the way.  We're fans, we are either bitching or cheering.

 

I draw the line at personal attacks.  Its fine to point out that we are failing, sucking, not keeping up, or whatever.

Its un-cool to post like we know better than folks who are paid obscene amounts of money because they are among the 40ish best in the world at what they do.

Its fine to expect our team to be not just one of the best but the best ever.

Its not cool presume that given all of the info that our staff had at the time as if we would have somehow been omniscient and been able to make the perfect decision.

Edit:

To paraphrase Dennis Miller: Thats just my opinion, I could be wrong.

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17 minutes ago, Inimicus said:

And thats a frame of reference that I can get behind.

They're not as good as team X.

I take issue with the idea that folk that post on a message board have any standing to call someone who is paid to do the jobs we all would kill to have stupid.

Would you offer praise to the Cardinals front office and coaching staff for the job they did this year?

Hue Jackson has more knowledge, experience, access and everything than any of us will ever have. He is also quite possibly the worst head coach in the history of the NFL.

All of these discussions are relative in their comparisons. At each position both on the field and off, we are either better or worse than the other teams in the league.

Right now, we're worse than an awful lot of them. And I don't have to be an NFL head coach to see that. 

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