Tepper has "no idea" whether Cam Newton needs surgery

[JARROD]

4 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Again you have no clue what you are talking about. He manages a number of companies and employees. What he doesn't care about is PR to raise stock prices on the Panthers when it is privately held and he has it all. Plus the value of franchises is set by the league and owners not public opinion or stock prices. Stop, you are embarrassing yourself and worst of all you don't even know it 

I’m not going to argue— and I’m totally right. Think what you want to.

again, just look at the hysteria, doubt if Cams coming back, controversy that it caused to say “I don’t know”

It’s just the truth

[electro's horse]

1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

No it isn't when there is every belief that nonsurgical procedures will resolve the problem. If surgery were the best option it likely would have occurred to avoid the problem in 2017 when surgery was delayed.

That's not what you said. You made a broad sweeping statement that was grossly incorrect. I watch doctors all the time go straight for surgical procedures; it's called acute care.

What you meant to say is that a GP will generally recommend that a person try RICE, rehab, etc before going under the knife.

as an addendum, there isn't a surgeon alive, especially ortho, who doesn't immediately recommend surgery; that's why everyone hates surgeons. 

[Jeremy Igo]

The last thing anyone should want is opening up Cam's throwing shoulder again. Every time you do that there is a big risk of it getting worse. 

Cam could be done, folks. It may just be a reality that his shoulder just cannot take the stress of a full season. But if he isn't done and can continue, opening up his shoulder again could ensure he is done. 

 

It's a gamble either way, but maybe best to err on the side of no surgery. 

 

[panthers55]

Just now, JARROD said:

Yeh I have no idea what I’m talking about. Not about the billions anyway— but the part I posted about being a leader and what you say to people when you have a true leadership role is the truth.

the point is, a CEO of a real company, a true leader of something real does not say he “doesn’t know”— it’s kinda in a lot of books— so argue with that if you want but there’s a whole lot of smart people in history that you would be calling idiots.

the article MR Scot posted is an example of what happens when you say “I don’t know” look at what “I don’t know” caused. Think about how our discussion would be different had he said something to the effect that I said,.. by the way, I learned that from a pretty smart guy,.. General Krulak— I think he knows something about being a leader.

you say, “ still being evaluated, everything is very promising and on track to turn next season around” 

That is all

You don't have a clue and again what does he care about what fans think about Cam and his shoulder? He owns the Panthers outright.  And he does know a ton about PR and how to use it to full effect. He could cause wild shifts in trading and Wall Street just by making a few proclamations. The examples you refer to have no relationship to the reality of this situation. The Panthers are not a public company and have one person who owns it all.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Jeremy Igo said:

The last thing anyone should want is opening up Cam's throwing shoulder again. Every time you do that there is a big risk of it getting worse. 

Cam could be done, folks. It may just be a reality that his shoulder just cannot take the stress of a full season. But if he isn't done and can continue, opening up his shoulder again could ensure he is done.

You really believe it's that severe?

[JARROD]

1 minute ago, Jeremy Igo said:

The last thing anyone should want is opening up Cam's throwing shoulder again. Every time you do that there is a big risk of it getting worse. 

Cam could be done, folks. It may just be a reality that his shoulder just cannot take the stress of a full season. But if he isn't done and can continue, opening up his shoulder again could ensure he is done. 

 

Truly if that’s what’s on the table, you gotta go look for another quarterback,.. A good one.

phily was a prime example— Us and Green Bay is the opposite— 

im sure that’s all being discussed— they would have to be.

[Jeremy Igo]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You really believe it's that severe?

Not sure if severe is the right word. 

 

Chronic may be a better one. 

 

[electro's horse]

2 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

The last thing anyone should want is opening up Cam's throwing shoulder again. Every time you do that there is a big risk of it getting worse.

 

bigger than the risk it's not going to get better?

but yeah, your second point is the more salient one

[Jeremy Igo]

3 minutes ago, JARROD said:

 you gotta go look for another quarterback,.. A good one.

That is what I think Tepper pointed at today. 

[panthers55]

2 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

That's not what you said. You made a broad sweeping statement that was grossly incorrect. I watch doctors all the time go straight for surgical procedures; it's called acute care.

What you meant to say is that a GP will generally recommend that a person try RICE, rehab, etc before going under the knife.

as an addendum, there isn't a surgeon alive, especially ortho, who doesn't immediately recommend surgery; that's why everyone hates surgeons. 

And you are nitpicking to save face when your HIPAA comment was inaccurate. Apparently you go to the wrong orthos. Twice in the last 2 years I went for consultations and both times two different surgeons recommended PT and nonsurgical procedures as a first course treament.

[panthers55]

7 minutes ago, JARROD said:

I’m not going to argue— and I’m totally right. Think what you want to.

again, just look at the hysteria, doubt if Cams coming back, controversy that it caused to say “I don’t know”

It’s just the truth

Keep telling yourself that. Maybe you might believe it eventually. 

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

That is what I think Tepper pointed at today. 

That's how some of the reporters who were there interpreted it as well.

[JARROD]

1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

You don't have a clue and again what does he care about what fans think about Cam and his shoulder? He owns the Panthers outright.  And he does know a ton about PR and how to use it to full effect. He could cause wild shifts in trading and Wall Street just by making a few proclamations. The examples you refer to have no relationship to the reality of this situation. The Panthers are not a public company and have one person who owns it all.

That’s not the point— it’s what Captains of ships and Battalion Commanders are taught. There’s no stock in the military— just morale,..

the Marines has this in NCO books and courses when you go to Sergeants course even— part of fitness test evaluations are observations of people doing just what I said.

good XOs, corporals, 2nds, they get chumy and often do that— ones that get picked for promotion, Sergeants, COs, lieutenants that make Captain often come down to their ability to inspire confidence, boost Morale, etc.

anyway— we completely disagree so let’s just leave it at that.

[WarPanthers89]

23 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

ADA covers that but there are certain "exceptions" that vary person to person depending on how good your lawyer is.

I ask you for any crumble of evidence to your claim about Cam refusing to get an MRI........