Don't believe that this is a weak WR class!

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I still say (if  we keep Smith) he will be improved in 19.  He is a deep ball threat, and when the QB can't throw it past the LBs, it takes a lot away from the cushion and the deep fear factor.   Notice that when Cam started showing signs of his injury, Smith went to the bench.   

I'm not convinced he's still a deep threat. He's three years removed from showing that he's a deep threat.

[MHS831]

15 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'm not convinced he's still a deep threat. He's three years removed from showing that the's a deep threat.

I would take the $5m and use it elsewhere--sometimes I wonder if we do not get attached to players.   The good franchises know when to move on.

[top dawg]

35 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I would take the $5m and use it elsewhere--sometimes I wonder if we do not get attached to players.   The good franchises know when to move on.

I think that it's a little ironic that people don't seem to realize that the probability that we do move on and ultimately use or recoup our 5 mil is if we draft a young and exciting receiver that's actually worth a damn. That's probably the only way that happens, not drafting a so-called "project," or investing in a retread like Crabtree. 

[Sub Zero]

OP needs to relax and read between the line.. Every analyst you posted is saying the same thing I've been telling you. ..

The WR class is weak because it doesn't have can't miss clean prospects.. The number 1 WR in this class is a workout warrior with the least production I've seen from any number 1 Wr.. All your write ups are pretty much saying  the strength of the WR class is in the middle to late round prospects.. The top in talent is very boom or bust.. You can probably get good production out of a WR from rounds 3 thru 6 as you would in rounds 1st thru 2nd..

You like Deebo cool.. But we can get a depth WR in rounds 4 thru 6 who can give us that and still secure players who fit immediate needs..

[Sub Zero]

1 hour ago, top dawg said:

I think that it's a little ironic that people don't seem to realize that the probability that we do move on and ultimately use or recoup our 5 mil is if we draft a young and exciting receiver that's actually worth a damn. That's probably the only way that happens, not drafting a so-called "project," or investing in a retread like Crabtree. 

I think you really take having NFL experiences and having to adjust to NFL play lightly..

Reality check it's a hard transition for WR out of college to produce their 1st year.. It took our 1st round pick half the year to prove to coaches he was ready for more snaps..

You still need vets to help with the transition.. I'm okay keeping Smith for 5 mil rather than a WR Corp full of 1st and 2nd year players.. Wright and Smith will help more as mentors than drafting another high round rookie and needing him to produced.. 

[top dawg]

11 minutes ago, Sub Zero said:

I think you really take having NFL experiences and having to adjust to NFL play lightly..

Reality check it's a hard transition for WR out of college to produce their 1st year.. It took our 1st round pick half the year to prove to coaches he was ready for more snaps..

You still need vets to help with the transition.. I'm okay keeping Smith for 5 mil rather than a WR Corp full of 1st and 2nd year players.. Wright and Smith will help more as mentors than drafting another high round rookie and needing him to produced.. 

No, but we really only need one "old" vet. We have that in Wright. Hell, he was brought here, in part, because he knows Turner's system, and iirc he even stated that he could be a coach (of sorts) on the field because he knows Turner's system inside out. Moreover, a young, fresh guide, still kind of wet behind the ears, like Moore should be able to communicate and identify with a noob very easily because many aspects of the transition are fresh in his mind. Samuel has a couple of season's under his belt, and he flashed his rookie year before he got hurt. He's not new to the pros anymore. Moreover, every receiver is different. Don't discount a rookie and his ability to produce (particularly in spots, like the red zone or end zone). It's certainly not impossible for a rookie to produce what Smith or Funchess did last season, or what both gave us together. And, lastly, next season is important (as all "next seasons" are), but the franchise doesn't end with next season. We must be forward thinking as well.

[Sub Zero]

22 minutes ago, top dawg said:

No, but we really only need one "old" vet. We have that in Wright. Hell, he was brought here, in part, because he knows Turner's system, and iirc he even stated that he could be a coach (of sorts) on the field because he knows Turner's system inside out. Moreover, a young, fresh guide, still kind of wet behind the ears, like Moore should be able to communicate and identify with a noob very easily because many aspects of the transition are fresh in his mind. Samuel has a couple of season's under his belt, and he flashed his rookie year before he got hurt. He's not new to the pros anymore. Moreover, every receiver is different. Don't discount a rookie and his ability to produce (particularly in spots, like the red zone or end zone). It's certainly not impossible for a rookie to produce what Smith or Funchess did last season, or what both gave us together. And, lastly, next season is important (as all "next seasons" are), but the franchise doesn't end with next season. We must be forward thinking as well.

You make up alot of BS opinions and try to pass them off as facts.. How many teams have gone into the season with just 1 vet WR?? Since you seem to think that is a optimum situation.. Samuels in my opinion is a 2nd year player no matter what you think.. He barely got run before he was hurt his 1st season and missed out on alot snaps his 2nd year with the heart thing.. So he is still very young in the system.. 

I can discount whatever I want.. Its my opinion this class of Wr have more development projects then day 1 ready guys .. So I expect all of them to have a longer transition.. Just cause you feel in love with a prospect doesn't mean they will have a easy transition.. And you might just want to stop dreaming.. Smith will be here for atleast 1 more year.. Somebody in this coaching staff still sees value in his presence..

[Trill OG]

WR is not a top priority right now. Just cut Smith and sign Crabtree. He is a veteran who can actually contribute.

[doogy902]

in what world is this WR class weak? 

[top dawg]

2 hours ago, Sub Zero said:

You make up alot of BS opinions and try to pass them off as facts.. How many teams have gone into the season with just 1 vet WR?? Since you seem to think that is a optimum situation.. Samuels in my opinion is a 2nd year player no matter what you think.. He barely got run before he was hurt his 1st season and missed out on alot snaps his 2nd year with the heart thing.. So he is still very young in the system.. 

I can discount whatever I want.. Its my opinion this class of Wr have more development projects then day 1 ready guys .. So I expect all of them to have a longer transition.. Just cause you feel in love with a prospect doesn't mean they will have a easy transition.. And you might just want to stop dreaming.. Smith will be here for atleast 1 more year.. Somebody in this coaching staff still sees value in his presence..

Just because I support my opinions very well doesn't mean I am trying to pass them off as fact. The fact that you don't realize that your opinion isn't any more valid than mine speaks to your own insecurity. At least you aren't necessarily trying to pass your opinion off as fact but calling mine "bs opinions," sounds dangerously close to doing so, and it is akin to some other know-it-alls on the Huddle who obviously can't handle people disagreeing with them even with rational arguments. 

Don't be a hater! You are  better than that, right?

[top dawg]

Just now, doogy902 said:

in what world is this WR class weak? 

Ask this guy:

 

He made the claim several times in the Deebo thread.. I just pushed back a little bit.

[ForJimmy]

We do need another WR.  If/when Samuel or Moore get hurt for a game or two our WRs would be a huge weakness. Our guys like to run through contact, which is great, but leads to some minor injuries usually in a season...

[top dawg]

And, for the record @Sub Zero, I like the thought of Deebo, sure, but I haven't "fallen in love" with him. At the end of the day, I have to trust that the experts know what's best (or at the very least I plan on being patient and letting the plan work itself out). I have already said that I don't know when a receiver is coming, I just know one is coming. For the record, I want J. Williams or Sweat, but I like Burns. On day two, it's a continuation of BPA, and all your reasons as to why a WR (whether it's Samuel or not) is not warranted on day two don't really fly with me. That's the difference. You can't see one until day three, and that's fine. It may turn our exactly as you want. As long as BPA is the order of the day and we don't simply skip a talented wide receiver for an inferior player at another position, I can and will live with that and won't be upset either way. 

[Pi = 3.1SHutYoMouth!]

So if we get this WR in say 1st round or 2nd, how much will he contribute?  We have two pass-catching tight ends, arguably the best pass-catching RB in the league, Two talented young receivers, a reliable slot receiver, and one decent veteran when healthy.