Good morning, Cap Space

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

46 minutes ago, Black&BlueBubba said:

Does anyone know the exact figure of what it will cost to sign Burns and Little.  And what does that leave us for total cap?

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/draft/

Burns is unsigned at pick 16.  Pick 15 (Dwayne Haskins) is 2.6m.  Next signed pick is pick 18 (Garrett Bradbury) at 2.3m.  So estimation is 2.45m for Burns

Little would be around 1.38m, sandwiched between guys that have signed for 1.4m and 1.36m 

Over all, looking at 4m.

[carpanfan96]

49 minutes ago, Black&BlueBubba said:

Does anyone know the exact figure of what it will cost to sign Burns and Little.  And what does that leave us for total cap?  

Burns around 13.6 m with 8.2m signing bonus. Little 7.6m with 3.5m signing bonus. 

 

First year values at 3-4 million combined. 

[45catfan]

3 hours ago, stbugs said:

Why so fixated on Kalil? It’s done and on the books. You can’t get it back. I’d dump Poe and Short anyway and save $24m for the production you get especially if I got McCoy. We’ve got space and can easily get it to $70m+ to use on extending the young guys and make a splash or two.

If you were referring to me, it's not Matt Kalil per se I'm 'fixated' with, but illustrating how much a bad contract can haunt a team even when the said player is long gone.  So in 2020 the inexplicably horrendous contract that was gifted to Matt Kalil will still be affecting our cap space. That $10 million in dead cap space could be put to better use in my mind.  So while he's "off the books" as in the payroll, he's not completely gone until 2021.

[rayzor]

16 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

McCoy wasn't going to sign while here. That was known before he made the visit. His agent said earlier in the week that he was taking the weekend to make up his mind and would sign on Monday or Tuesday. 

Don't corrupt his negativity with facts and perspective.

Setiously it's pretty well known that he was three teams he was going to talk to and take some time to decide on. It's also pretty well known that the Ravens want him pretty badly. He's going to decide between the three teams, between three teams he met with and walked away from without a contract.

[TheSpecialJuan]

WOW

[steven8989]

44 minutes ago, rayzor said:

Don't corrupt his negativity with facts and perspective.

Setiously it's pretty well known that he was three teams he was going to talk to and take some time to decide on. It's also pretty well known that the Ravens want him pretty badly. He's going to decide between the three teams, between three teams he met with and walked away from without a contract.

How is it negative when we never sign a big name FA. It's the damn truth, maybe if y'all would figure that out we wouldn't have all the same threads about someone we are not getting. 

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

5 minutes ago, steven8989 said:

How is it negative when we never sign a big name FA. It's the damn truth, maybe if y'all would figure that out we wouldn't have all the same threads about someone we are not getting

Paradis was a top 10 free agent this off season.  He was a huge signing.  I will even go further.  Paradis signing is more important than the potential McCoy signing.

[45catfan]

36 minutes ago, stbugs said:

I was. That's what happens when you book only $10m out of $25m in the first 2 years of his deal. The $15m had to hit the cap at some point. Not worth dwelling on it because we "saved" $15m in cap space in 2017 and 2018. At the end of they day, we paid out $25m of $55m and we used $25m in cap. If we cut Poe and Short in 2020, we save $20m in cap ($24m in 2020) so you can get it back.

Cap wise, we are in real good shape, especially if we don't sign McCoy. We just needed to use out draft resources a little better this year. I liked most of our draft, but we needed more DT/3-4DE bodies that were plentiful in the draft.

Agreed that there's no need to dwell on dead cap money, but it is a central variable in the cap calculation, so it's worth mentioning.  Hopefully Hurney has learned from his bad contracts in his prior stint and the ones he's had to clean up from Gettleman.  Moving on...

We will be in decent shape next year as the cap currently stands, but since we didn't address the DL in this year's draft, it will be hard to let Butler and Poe both go, especially if we don't land McCoy.   At that point we will be paying a premium veteran rate instead of working on year two of a rookie deal.  Hopefully Hurney doesn't make the same mistake next draft.

 

[rayzor]

1 hour ago, steven8989 said:

How is it negative when we never sign a big name FA. It's the damn truth, maybe if y'all would figure that out we wouldn't have all the same threads about someone we are not getting. 

How is it negative when it sounds like you're pouting and saying something is never going to happen then whine about people making threads about things you think is never going to happen?

Really?

[uncfan888]

3 minutes ago, rayzor said:

How is it negative when it sounds like you're pouting and saying something is never going to happen then whine about people making threads about things you think is never going to happen?

Really?

He told me he'd tone it down but he's still jumping in thread after thread crying about this stuff

[Moo Daeng]

6 hours ago, stbugs said:

Why so fixated on Kalil? It’s done and on the books. You can’t get it back. I’d dump Poe and Short anyway and save $24m for the production you get especially if I got McCoy. We’ve got space and can easily get it to $70m+ to use on extending the young guys and make a splash or two.

Thank god you don't make that call.

[45catfan]

Cap space is tricky and in an ideal world if you have a team with a nearly even blend of salty veterans, guys working on their second contracts and guys still on their rookie deals on your 53 man roster, that would be a balanced roster.  Somewhere around $50 million (including rollover funds) going into the next season is about the sweet spot as I see it.  It seems that under $25 million, the GMs hands are somewhat tied, the lower, the more constrained obviously.  There's room for two splash free agent signings and then it's bargain shopping mode again.  Once teams start banking well north of $50 million, it's like they are keeping it for some rainy day fund.  It's the usual suspects that consistently are flush with cap funds and most are not serious contenders annually.   

So if Hurney can get the team balanced in contract distribution and start each new season in the neighborhood of that $50 million marker, I'd feel he's managing the books super efficiently.  It seems he's heading in that direction now.

[Trill OG]

This is great news regardless if we sign McCoy or not. Im sure their will be another solid player get cut before the season. If that happens we easily have the cap space to go after that player. We can also make trades for big salary players who could be on the trade block.

*So for the people all in on McCoy don't get to sad, we could still be players down the road.

[Go DJ that's my DJ]

9 hours ago, 45catfan said:

As much as I would like having McCoy here, if he does sign elsewhere, banking nearly $20 million in rollover cap space alone is a nice consolation price.  It will give Marty some breathing room to work on some deals next year.  Cutting Poe ( next year) will give us the $10 million in cap space back from Kalil dead cap money.

the dead cap for kalil is 9.8 but it is split over 2 seasons.