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panthers55 Grand Master

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10 minutes ago, Icege said:

It is not that simple, unfortunately. If it were, the issue would be easily fixable.

It isn't something as simple as how folks were raised, it also has to do with the environment (nature/nurture). My parents, for example, were able to purchase a home for less than $100k in a nice neighborhood. That is nowhere near the case for myself and others my age. That is a huge deal as well, as the ability to own property creates an opportunity to build wealth. The difference in the cost of higher education, energy, etc is also being ignored.

It is really the same stuff all of the time. People get older, they don't understand something younger folks do, and like all people that don't understand something they ridicule/avoid/fight/learn about it to make it less threatening to them. Out of the four of those, only one seeks understanding. The other three seek conservation because, understandably, older folks want to preserve the things that they have because life is constant change.

It is how folks are raised and their values that make the biggest difference and the research proves that.. How much you start with is another factor but not nearly as important as the first. But there are other factors for sure like how much help you give your kids or do you wash your hands after 18 and tell them they are totally on their own. But as someone who professionally tells others how to raise their kids, I can tell you that several things that increase the chances of success.

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14 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

It is how folks are raised and their values that make the biggest difference and the research proves that.. How much you start with is another factor but not nearly as important as the first. But there are other factors for sure like how much help you give your kids or do you wash your hands after 18 and tell them they are totally on their own. But as someone who professionally tells others how to raise their kids, I can tell you that several things that increase the chances of success.

Could you cite said research? Psychologists are still debating today on nature vs. nurture, so I'm curious to see what study was done that effectively ended the debate.

How much you start with is an incredibly influential factor. Yes, an individual does have to take advantage of their situation, but having excess to start means that you have multiple opportunities that you can fail and not learn anything from the experience. I've seen plenty of kids with strict parents turn into scum of the earth because their parent(s) were too concerned with being an authority figure rather than all of the other roles a parent has to take.

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32 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

Fun fact:

In ancient Rome, the old farts complained that the younger generation was going to hell because they were READING all the time...

Same ish, different era. 

Those crazy kids with their scrolls!  It’s ruining everything!!

Now, let’s go eat till we puke and then eat some more.  

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2 hours ago, Icege said:

Could you cite said research? Psychologists are still debating today on nature vs. nurture, so I'm curious to see what study was done that effectively ended the debate.

How much you start with is an incredibly influential factor. Yes, an individual does have to take advantage of their situation, but having excess to start means that you have multiple opportunities that you can fail and not learn anything from the experience. I've seen plenty of kids with strict parents turn into scum of the earth because their parent(s) were too concerned with being an authority figure rather than all of the other roles a parent has to take.

There will never be the "end" of the debate as both sides have their champions. As an identical twin I have a perspective that tends to look at nurture more than nature since we are completely similar in genes but almost totally different in most aspects of life. 

If tomorrow you took everything I own from me I would recover and prosper. Because who I am, is not what I have or what you gave me but what I have learned and what I know. Does nature matter? Of course. I work with cognitively delayed clients who may never develop formal operational thinking which Piaget says normally develops between 12-14.  So there is a ceiling there. But 70% of folks have an IQ in the average range but the reasons some fail but most don't isnt capacity but  using the capacity you are given. I can site you a number of twin studies which is the population that most studies use to study nature versus nurture but would do it in a PM unless this topic is of interest to others. Don't want this bunny trail to derail the thread. 

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