One of these is not like the others... Interesting stats on QB short yardage rushing since 2015

[KB_fan]

Cool data from Warren Sharp:

 

Cam has 101 short yardage attempts since 2015. Next highest QB has 39.

This has produced a discussion on Twitter about Cam's rushing and injury risk:

 

Thoughts? I responded that the worst hits to Cam have come in the pocket.

But still the wear and tear of rushing does add up.... But what a weapon he is!

[jfra78]

Are shoulder problems really an issue with RBs? I don't think rushing has anything to do with Cam's injury.  But I will say that now that he has had a major injury, he should back off the rushing in short yardage situations.  I still feel designed runs are necessary, and injury risk is minimal on these types of runs.

[therealmjl]

8 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Are shoulder problems really an issue with RBs? I don't think rushing has anything to do with Cam's injury.  But I will say that now that he has had a major injury, he should back off the rushing in short yardage situations.  I still feel designed runs are necessary, and injury risk is minimal on these types of runs.

Combined with throwing the ball like 10,000 times over the course of a calendar year I’m sure the wear and tear is much worse than a RB. Apples to oranges.

[cookinbrak]

Extremely misleading numbers. It's all based on running plays of 3 yards or less. Nobody runs a QB sneak on 2nd and 3, a sneak is designed to get a yard. Not to mention that if a QB scrambles on a pass with less than 3 yards and gets sacked, it counts as a run.

[BrianS]

35 minutes ago, cookinbrak said:

Extremely misleading numbers. It's all based on running plays of 3 yards or less. Nobody runs a QB sneak on 2nd and 3, a sneak is designed to get a yard. Not to mention that if a QB scrambles on a pass with less than 3 yards and gets sacked, it counts as a run.

I think you just made the author's point.  The make percentage for handoffs is 60%, while a QB run is 78% on 3 yards or less to go.  Basically the league in general doesn't account for the QB in those situations, and thus the author is saying this might be a play that should be called more often.

This doesn't really apply to Cam.  Our offense has so many designed runs for him that the defense will account for him.  Still, his make percentage is high.  I don't see us not doing it, though it wouldn't break my heart to see him hand more often instead of keeping.

[joemac]

I was watching All or Nothing last night, and they probably want to limit Cam lead blocking on HB sweeps.  He layed that DE out, but he did it with his right shoulder.....

[Bronn]

84 first downs + 17 touchdowns. That accounts for every one (100%) of his 101 situations of 1-3 yards or less.

I'm sure there might be some overlap in those numbers, but the % number they list in the last column is only based on successful first downs.

 

[BrianS]

2 hours ago, Bronn said:

84 first downs + 17 touchdowns. That accounts for every one (100%) of his 101 situations of 1-3 yards or less.

I'm sure there might be some overlap in those numbers, but the % number they list in the last column is only based on successful first downs.

 

I gotta believe they are counting TD's as first downs.  I can't believe he has 100%, even as good as he is.  

[Bronn]

16 minutes ago, BrianS said:

I gotta believe they are counting TD's as first downs.  I can't believe he has 100%, even as good as he is.  

I'm sure there is some overlap, as I said, because Brees has more combined 1st downs and TDs than he does attempts.
 

[mc52beast]

3 hours ago, joemac said:

I was watching All or Nothing last night, and they probably want to limit Cam lead blocking on HB sweeps.  He layed that DE out, but he did it with his right shoulder.....

Matt Ryan should watch that... he could learn something 

[mc52beast]

Cam will still keep it on 3rd or 4th and a yard, but I think you’ll see a lot less designed runs.

Of course we’re talking about Rivera so I could be wrong 

[Lumps]

The issue is the coaches using cam as a battering ram and not putting any resources into finding a back that can pound for tough yards and do the dirty work. Instead they rely on their 100$ million QB. CJ was a glimmer of hope but we all see how that went.

Yes he’s good at it, it’s his strength and yes he’s very effective. But it will come at a price.

[xav8tor]

There’s some great info to be had there, but that stat tabulation is a bit wonky. A TD is a TD, not a 1D, (I get that), and all 1-3 YD attempts are not sneaks. Apparently, the % column is 1D only, not incl. TD, which is okay I guess, however, while Foles at 10 ATT/101D works out, add the TD and it doesn’t, so where’s that attempt? Same with Brees, but to an even greater degree: 28 ATT = / = 8 TD + 26 1D. Same with Brady, the acknowledged king of the sneak (if nothing else, and he’s GOAT at far more than that IMHO). Now look at Cam: 101 ATT = 17 TD + 84 1D!.

Wow ! Regardless, no matter how you slice it, this is one area where no one can dispute that Brady, Brees, and Cam can be used in the same sentence. Now, factor in the raw numbers. Cam is doing this at 2.5 to 3.5 the total production of two other top shelf QBs in this scenario. Finally. truly elite QBs, regardless of age and experience, are always trying to improve (e.g., Brees/Brady working with Tom House). The offseason, whether out of necessity or desire, Cam did something similar. Great! I have always believed Cam has some areas in need of improvement, and still do, but this stat ain’t one of ‘em!

[Wa'ya]

12 hours ago, KB_fan said:

Thoughts? I responded that the worst hits to Cam have come in the pocket.

But still the wear and tear of rushing does add up.... But what a weapon he is!

I have to agree with this!  That hit Cam took last year against Pittsburgh from Watt still pisses me off. How that wasn't leading with the helmet I just don't understand.