84% of Bucs fans say Winston is a bust.

[rayzor]

The 84% is 100% correct.

Not that I'm complaining.

[Pejorative Miscreant]

6 hours ago, Iron Saint said:

Winston has a .382 winning % as a starter (21-34 in 55 games started).

Locker has a .391 winning % (9-14 record in 23 games started).

How can a player with a lower winning percentage than a player that is considered to be a bust, also not be a bust themself?

Winston is a bust himself, but unlike the Chargers, Titans, and Raiders, the Buccaneers refuse to cut their losses and admit they whiffed on the #1 overall pick and will ride him out through his 5th year.

What’s even more disheartening is they’re paying him $20,922,000 this year. Pay me $20.9M and I can throw two pick-6’s every game just like Winston did Sunday. I might even throw in a dance afterward to add a little razzle dazzle and let them get their money’s worth.

I for one like Winston in TB a lot and hope he is with the Bucs for the next decade.  

[falconidae]

6 hours ago, Iron Saint said:

Winston has a .382 winning % as a starter (21-34 in 55 games started).

Locker has a .391 winning % (9-14 record in 23 games started).

How can a player with a lower winning percentage than a player that is considered to be a bust, also not be a bust themself?

Winston is a bust himself, but unlike the Chargers, Titans, and Raiders, the Buccaneers refuse to cut their losses and admit they whiffed on the #1 overall pick and will ride him out through his 5th year.

What’s even more disheartening is they’re paying him $20,922,000 this year. Pay me $20.9M and I can throw two pick-6’s every game just like Winston did Sunday. I might even throw in a dance afterward to add a little razzle dazzle and let them get their money’s worth.

Bucs won  2 games the  year before Winston got there, Lovie Smith was his HC to start with, there are other reasons besides Winston's play for a .400 winning percentage.

Winston has the same problem that many young QBs have when drafted by a bad team- he never gets to spend time in the same system. He's on his 3rd HC/offense in 4 years. Makes a huge difference.

Not saying that he was ever going to be elite, but he might have been a solid QB if put in one system and allowed to really learn it.

 

[micnificent28]

16 hours ago, Iron Saint said:

Winston has a .382 winning % as a starter (21-34 in 55 games started).

Locker has a .391 winning % (9-14 record in 23 games started).

How can a player with a lower winning percentage than a player that is considered to be a bust, also not be a bust themself?

Winston is a bust himself, but unlike the Chargers, Titans, and Raiders, the Buccaneers refuse to cut their losses and admit they whiffed on the #1 overall pick and will ride him out through his 5th year.

What’s even more disheartening is they’re paying him $20,922,000 this year. Pay me $20.9M and I can throw two pick-6’s every game just like Winston did Sunday. I might even throw in a dance afterward to add a little razzle dazzle and let them get their money’s worth.

I hate people who use win rate as a individual indicator. Winning is a team statistic

[thefuzz]

Anyone want to compare Cam and Winston's passing numbers?

Again, not a fan, but he's not a bust, just didn't live up to potential

[mc52beast]

90% of Bucs fans still can’t figure out where their crab legs are

[micnificent28]

1 hour ago, thefuzz said:

Anyone want to compare Cam and Winston's passing numbers?

Again, not a fan, but he's not a bust, just didn't live up to potential

Also I'm not entirely sure it's his fault on the field. The bucs ownership and coaching has been a mess..

[Wolfpack352]

Guys...we should not be saying bad things about Winston...we should encourage, be supportive!  So the Bucs and Fans keep him around for another year and we play against him again.....see where I'm going with this?  

[Chairman Wow]

Career passer rating:

Winston: 87.0

Cam Newton: 86.3

Realistically, Cam Newton is Jameis Winston with better running ability. 

If Cam is done as a runner, this team is in deep poo.

[Khyber53]

23 hours ago, bababoey said:

Just because maybe I am stupid.  How do you have 59 voters cast 60 votes? It's is Florida but still

 

 

Hanging chads, all over again.

[TheRed]

Winston certainly has struggled, but the Bucs have been one disaster to another despite changing head coaches multiple times. It's gonna be a tough road for any QB in TB.

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

Also I'm not entirely sure it's his fault on the field. The bucs ownership and coaching has been a mess..

The Bucs organization is an unholy mess from the top down and has been for a long, long time.

As long as the Glazers continue to own it, nobody should hold their breath on that changing.

[thefuzz]

33 minutes ago, Chairman Wow said:

Career passer rating:

Winston: 87.0

Cam Newton: 86.3

Realistically, Cam Newton is Jameis Winston with better running ability. 

If Cam is done as a runner, this team is in deep poo.

Statistically Cam is a very slightly better passer than Winston....very slightly.

Now Cam has had better defenses, ownership, and coaching than Winston.  Winston has had better WR's.

 

[TheRed]

3 hours ago, Chairman Wow said:

Career passer rating:

Winston: 87.0

Cam Newton: 86.3

Realistically, Cam Newton is Jameis Winston with better running ability. 

If Cam is done as a runner, this team is in deep poo.

Why only compare him to Jameis?