Coaching matters. Take a look and find out why.

[rayzor]

33 minutes ago, beastson said:

If he had it his way, John Fox would still be the Head Coach.

You're not wrong, and Jake would still be slinging ducks, because they went to the Superbowl once and were they best we ever had so far.

Criticizing them shows bad fanhood.

[thefuzz]

I cannot believe how many posters here changed their minds about Ron after the All or Nothing show.

 

[Mr. Scot]

13 minutes ago, rayzor said:

You're not wrong, and Jake would still be slinging ducks, because they went to the Superbowl once and were they best we ever had so far.

Criticizing them shows bad fanhood.

Cheering for mediocrity doesn't make you a good fan.

I'm not in favor of "fire everybody if we don't win the Super Bowl every season" either, but Rivera has had plenty of time and every opportunity at this point. As many have said, there's no more room for excuses.

[PantherBrew]

I think @panthers55 and @ellis both make good arguments, and I enjoy reading two informed perspectives.  

Ron is a fine coach, he doesn't suck and he is not stupid.  Did he get out-coached by a top 3 coach in the league, yeah for sure.  Almost every coach in this league is going to be outcoached by McVay.  Got to give Ron credit for trying new things with the Bolt package.  McVay is really good and made adjustments. 

However, it is also true that it has been almost a year since the Panthers have won a meaningful game, and Ron deserves some blame for that too.  If we start off 0-4 or 1-6, he and Hurney will both be gone.  

[ellis]

Just to add a little clarity, this was the rest of the thread on Twitter:

 

[thefuzz]

1 minute ago, PantherBrew said:

I think @panthers55 and @ellis both make good arguments, and I enjoy reading two informed perspectives.  

Ron is a fine coach, he doesn't suck and he is not stupid.  Did he get out-coached by a top 3 coach in the league, yeah for sure.  Almost every coach in this league is going to be outcoached by McVay.  Got to give Ron credit for trying new things with the Bolt package.  McVay is really good and made adjustments. 

However, it is also true that it has been almost a year since the Panthers have won a meaningful game, and Ron deserves some blame for that too.  If we start off 0-4 or 1-6, he and Hurney will both be gone.  

This is where I get frustrated though.

How on Earth has Ron not learned more in his time in the NFL, especially with how long he has been a HC.  He has had the same QB for his entire time here, something most coaches don't get the luxury of.  Has had a HOF MLB almost his entire time here, and by NFL standards, both have been healthy their entire careers.

How do we still, season after season, start slow, have the same critical mistakes, allow teams to hang around, and somehow not put together back to back winning seasons in 8+ years?

If the problems were getting better, I could somewhat agree with keeping him around, but the same problems persist....to me that say stubborn, set in your ways, unwilling to bend or change....and that ain't the NFL these days.  You need to be dynamic, Ron ain't that.

[thefuzz]

7 minutes ago, ellis said:

Just to add a little clarity, this was the rest of the thread on Twitter:

 

Can't really get mad at Ron here, Sean was being a big meanie....you need to play the game like it's meant to be played.  This hurry up stuff is for college teams.

[mc52beast]

1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

So usually Rivera gets slammed for not being emotional and animated. When he does, now he gets slammed for not being focused and level headed.  If Rivera got owned all day it is amazing we only lost by 3 points to the NFC Champs. By that description you would have thought we lost by 20.

So you’re ok with Ron screaming at the refs while McVay was instructing his team on what to do... you must not have very high expectations for Ron.

And we only lost by three because we have some dude called CMC who bailed out Ron by putting up historical type numbers

[PantherGuy]

2 hours ago, ellis said:

He doesn’t always get outcoached. But the fact that he was fundamentally overmatched on opening day really concerns me.

I’m not pushing for Ron to be fired after one game this year. I’m pointing out a critical 45 second stretch during a game, and how it could have cost them a week one win. It felt sloppy and terrible in person, and it looks almost as bad on television. I was pretty confident my eyes weren’t failing me on site.

Your eyes didn't fool you at all. I watched the game on record after I knew we had lost, so my emotions didn't get that out of hand. It was obvious to me in certain situations that Sean was totally outclassing Ron.

[Snake]

I will say this John Fox was leagues better at game management. 

[rayzor]

42 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Can't really get mad at Ron here, Sean was being a big meanie....you need to play the game like it's meant to be played.  This hurry up stuff is for college teams.

Not sure if you were being sarcastic (teaching too much to detect that kind of thing) but, this hurry up stuff is for teams who are interested in winning.

[PantherBrew]

40 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

This is where I get frustrated though.

How on Earth has Ron not learned more in his time in the NFL, especially with how long he has been a HC.  He has had the same QB for his entire time here, something most coaches don't get the luxury of.  Has had a HOF MLB almost his entire time here, and by NFL standards, both have been healthy their entire careers.

How do we still, season after season, start slow, have the same critical mistakes, allow teams to hang around, and somehow not put together back to back winning seasons in 8+ years?

If the problems were getting better, I could somewhat agree with keeping him around, but the same problems persist....to me that say stubborn, set in your ways, unwilling to bend or change....and that ain't the NFL these days.  You need to be dynamic, Ron ain't that.

Oh don't get me wrong, I definitely get frustrated.  

Ron tried to be slick with his new defensive grouping.  And it worked really well, but McVay was like "okay, smart guy, let me catch you in this personnel group with a favorable offensive personnel, and I am going to run and no huddle you down the field".  

Ron's mistake was not having a counter to McVay's counter.  Like he should have know that McVay would adjust.   It sucks because their running against the Bolt defense seems to have opened up the play action a little more, and got into our head, while we were getting winded.  I didn't watch the film, but thats why my eyes told me.  

I don't think Ron is stuck in his ways, I just don't think he is super strategically creative.  He can be tactically creative, like the Bolt defensive grouping, but he can't quite see several steps ahead like Belicheck, McVay, or Reid. 

 

[Wolfpack352]

2 hours ago, Greatman77 said:

I think Rivera is a better coach than a lot of Huddlers give him credit for, but there is no mistaking the fact that his management of time-outs has always  been horrendous. You will never see Belichick waste time-outs for stupid stuff like Ron does.

Yes....Are the panthers Kings of burning timeouts for stupid BS?  Too often I find myself yelling at TV in 4th quarters about how important those burnt timeouts are when we need a chance for a comeback.  Anyone know of any other teams who burns timeouts on stupid BS?  

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, PantherBrew said:

I think @panthers55 and @ellis both make good arguments, and I enjoy reading two informed perspectives.  

Ron is a fine coach, he doesn't suck and he is not stupid.  Did he get out-coached by a top 3 coach in the league, yeah for sure.  Almost every coach in this league is going to be outcoached by McVay.  Got to give Ron credit for trying new things with the Bolt package.  McVay is really good and made adjustments. 

However, it is also true that it has been almost a year since the Panthers have won a meaningful game, and Ron deserves some blame for that too.  If we start off 0-4 or 1-6, he and Hurney will both be gone.  

Ron is a good coach.  The problem is that "good" seems to be about as far as it goes.

Rivera's Panthers are usually good enough to beat bad teams, though not necessarily in dominating fashion. Against good teams though, and specifically good coaches, he seems to get outcoached an awful lot.

You don't have to be the worst coach in the league to lose your job. You just have to be not good enough to win a championship.

Hate to say it, but I fear Rivera isn't. Again, not terrible, but just not good enough.