The Rivera Dilemma

[MasterAwesome]

2 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

Do you have an actual quote we can check on that? No football player or coach would say that having existed in the reality of the game. They might have said they wished it wasn't the case, but I'm going to have to see an actual quote to tie that one on the coach.

Apparently he’s mentioned it “every time” yet I’m sure no one can produce a single quote. Not that most people on here actually care to fact-check any of the asinine things that are said.

[Khyber53]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

There was an article in the Observer that talked about it (probably by Joe Person).

I think we need an actual quote to substantiate it, otherwise it's just someone making sh!t up to make their point.

 

[Varking]

1 minute ago, Khyber53 said:

I think we need an actual quote to substantiate it, otherwise it's just someone making sh!t up to make their point.

 

I enjoy digging poo up. What is the quote and I can try to find it? 

[Jon Snow]

I remember Ron saying during an interview that he believes a player should go out on his own terms.  He was discussing veterans on his team, which ones I do not recall.

[trueblade]

13 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Apparently he’s mentioned it “every time” yet I’m sure no one can produce a single quote. Not that most people on here actually care to fact-check any of the asinine things that are said.

 

7 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

I think we need an actual quote to substantiate it, otherwise it's just someone making sh!t up to make their point.

 

With that, Rivera's playing career never ended up having a definitive "ending". He would end up re-joining the Bears in 1997 as a defensive quality control coach (And later became the team's defensive coordinator), but would have liked to have been able to have ended his playing days on his own term. And as a result, he wants to make sure that his players now are able to go out on their own terms.

"It's a big deal for me," said Rivera. "One of the things I do talk to the guys about (is) not wasting opportunities moreso than anything else. I think it's real important that guys understand that you only have so many opportunities, you only get so many chances, at playing this game. And while you're playing it, you've got to give it everything you have."

https://247sports.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/Article/Ron-Rivera-playing-career-final-home-game-126707121/

So a player getting to end his career on his own terms, well, that’s something that really matters to Rivera.

“It’s a big deal for me,” he said this week. “And one of the things I talk about with guys is not wasting opportunities, more so than anything else. I think that it’s really important that guys understand that you only get so many chances at playing this game. And while you’re playing it, you gotta give it everything you have.”

The desire to give everybody a graceful exit could be at least a small part of the reason why Rivera, over the years, has been well-regarded as a “player’s coach” and has, mostly successfully, kept a locker room full of able-bodied, respected veteran players.

And Rivera said he wishes he could keep all of them around.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article223367695.html

The dates on the articles are 247 was 12/20 and Observer was 12/21 make me think its two different reportings on the same interview.

[electro's horse]

2 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

Do you have an actual quote we can check on that? No football player or coach would say that having existed in the reality of the game. They might have said they wished it wasn't the case, but I'm going to have to see an actual quote to tie that one on the coach.

 

8 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

I think we need an actual quote to substantiate it, otherwise it's just someone making sh!t up to make their point.

 

"For what they were paying me, they could have signed three rookies. That's what happens. It's the nature of the game now."

With that, Rivera's playing career never ended up having a definitive "ending". He would end up re-joining the Bears in 1997 as a defensive quality control coach (And later became the team's defensive coordinator), but would have liked to have been able to have ended his playing days on his own term. And as a result, he wants to make sure that his players now are able to go out on their own terms.

"It's a big deal for me," said Rivera. "One of the things I do talk to the guys about (is) not wasting opportunities moreso than anything else. I think it's real important that guys understand that you only have so many opportunities, you only get so many chances, at playing this game. And while you're playing it, you've got to give it everything you have."

https://247sports.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/Article/Ron-Rivera-playing-career-final-home-game-126707121/

he doesn't come out and say it specifically but it's pretty easy to read between the lines there, especially in view of his career.

There's also a quote somewhere he talks about letting coaches learn from their mistakes and he believes you have to be more patient than normal but im drinking and my care is fading. 

[electro's horse]

oh my god this messageboard is unusable 

[PghPanther]

There's one thing that festers in this scenario...........that between Allen and Newton the Panthers figure out how to have just enough of a successful season (whatever that is) that ownership decides to stay with Rivera another year...........

[electro's horse]

1 minute ago, PghPanther said:

There's one thing that festers in this scenario...........that between Allen and Newton the Panthers figure out how to have just enough of a successful season (whatever that is) that ownership decides to stay with Rivera another year...........

i mean yeah it's a risk

[Pantha-kun]

4 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

There is no dilemma. We have a starting QB who is hurt and a backup who is healthy and playing well. As long as Cam is hurt there is no dilemma. The only dilemma comes if Cam heals up and Allen is still playing well.

 

4 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

At which point you have Romo / Prescott.

Pretty much.  If Allen repeats Sundays performqnce 3 more times in a row and doesnt throw any picks in 5 games youd be a fool to re insert cam while Allen is red hot

[Khyber53]

29 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

 

 

 

He specifically does not say what you said. He talks about the realities of the game and how he advises players to be aware of it and to not waste chances. Nowhere does he say he coaches to make sure they get to leave the game on their own terms and timetable.

It's putting words into a guy's mouth to make him say what you want and that's not right, whether you are drinking yourself into a stupor or not.

[Pantha-kun]

Fanbase would explode in anarchy if allen went unbeaten,  cam got reinserted vs 49ers after the bye,  and we get destroyed. 

[Khyber53]

31 minutes ago, trueblade said:

 

The desire to give everybody a graceful exit could be at least a small part of the reason why Rivera, over the years, has been well-regarded as a “player’s coach” and has, mostly successfully, kept a locker room full of able-bodied, respected veteran players.

And Rivera said he wishes he could keep all of them around.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article223367695.html

The dates on the articles are 247 was 12/20 and Observer was 12/21 make me think its two different reportings on the same interview.

That's what the article says but that isn't what Fiz errr Electro said at all is it. There's an important distinction between the two. Electro wants you to think Rivera plays guys until they're satisfied with their careers and want to call it a day. The article, and specifically Ron's words, say that he wishes that could be true but that the realities of the game are different, as he himself saw as a player.

[Khyber53]

45 minutes ago, Varking said:

I enjoy digging poo up. What is the quote and I can try to find it? 

They already dug it up then found out that it only slightly, barely, in a half light with your eyes squinted just right, said anything even remotely resembling what they thought it had said. Over the years, they had just internalized it and massaged it to fit their own narratives.

Self-gaslighting. It's kinda the new trend I guess.