Is CMC getting too many carries

[bigdavis]

13 hours ago, Forty-Eight said:

Norv is and idiot 

But he can spell.  You gotta give him that.

[Navy_football]

15 minutes ago, Mage said:

This has nothing to do with Rivera. 

Even if Rivera has NOTHING to do with the offense, it's still a simple conversation.

Head Coach Rivera: Hey Norv, let's work on getting more touches for Scarlett and Bonnafon. We need to decrease McCaffrey's workload a little.

Norv the OC: Sure thing Ron. I'll work them both into the game plan for Sunday and increase their reps in practice to reflect the change.

Head Coach Rivera: Thanks Norv. Keep me updated on how it's going. 

Done...

[DeAngelo Beason]

18 minutes ago, Floppin said:

Saying they're not comparable is my rebuttal, because they're NOT COMPARABLE. It's pretty damn simple. Explain to me how Smitty's dominance as a receiver is even remotely relevant to a discussion about CMC's touches? Even in Smitty's best years his average touches per game are no where close to even CMC's lowest game totals. It's not a comparable situation and you trying to shoehorn it into this thread as some legitimate point is fuging stupid and you come across as a dribbling moron.

See how you actually just referenced something, like a potential statistic?  That was really good.  Good job little boy!  Now we can have an actual conversation instead of throwing around insults and smartass, childish comments for no good reason.

Steve Smith was a WR built like a WR.  CMC is an RB built like a brick shithouse.  His body is built for the punishment.  The comparison is relevant.  For his size, Steve Smith took quite a pummeling throughout his career, and the injury history shows it. 

Another reason the comparison is relevant - it was extraordinarily rare at the time for a single player to account for the total yardage of a team's offense the way Steve Smith did.  The same applies to CMC.  The point is, CMC can have a long, productive career in spite of the touches. 

It's been done before many, many times in fact.  To move on from Smitty - CMC's touches still aren't even close to the same level of the RBs of old anyway.  

See how I was able to provide a well thought out series of talking points instead of hurling insults like a privileged little poo sandwich like you?

[Floppin]

8 minutes ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

See how you actually just referenced something, like a potential statistic?  That was really good.  Good job little boy!  Now we can have an actual conversation instead of throwing around insults and smartass, childish comments for no good reason.

Steve Smith was a WR built like a WR.  CMC is an RB built like a brick shithouse.  His body is built for the punishment.  The comparison is relevant.  For his size, Steve Smith took quite a pummeling throughout his career, and the injury history shows it. 

Another reason the comparison is relevant - it was extraordinarily rare at the time for a single player to account for the total yardage of a team's offense the way Steve Smith did.  The same applies to CMC.  The point is, CMC can have a long, productive career in spite of the touches. 

It's been done before many, many times in fact.  To move on from Smitty - CMC's touches still aren't even close to the same level of the RBs of old anyway.  

See how I was able to provide a well thought out series of talking points instead of hurling insults like a privileged little poo sandwich like you?

Jesus, just stop. None of this matters and is a fallacious argument. Irrelevant platitudes about their body type and false statements about their stats compared to historic totals does not suddenly make your argument legitimate.

Have you even played football? The physical contact and abuse that a RB takes compared to a receiver just isn't comparable. This is especially true for high-volume backs and even more so for ones that are playing double duty as a fuging slot receiver. I don't care if it is the GOAT in Smitty, it's just not a comparable thing.

You using Smith as some example as to why CMC will ultimately be able to withstand this abuse in order to maintain a healthy and lengthy career is just dumb - no matter how you try and spin your intent.

[Black&BlueBubba]

I would be happy if I never saw this many touches the rest of the season. 

 

 

[DeAngelo Beason]

1 hour ago, Floppin said:

Jesus, just stop. None of this matters and is a fallacious argument. Irrelevant platitudes about their body type and false statements about their stats compared to historic totals does not suddenly make your argument legitimate.

Have you even played football? The physical contact and abuse that a RB takes compared to a receiver just isn't comparable. This is especially true for high-volume backs and even more so for ones that are playing double duty as a fuging slot receiver. I don't care if it is the GOAT in Smitty, it's just not a comparable thing.

You using Smith as some example as to why CMC will ultimately be able to withstand this abuse in order to maintain a healthy and lengthy career is just dumb - no matter how you try and spin your intent.

Ok.  Instead of focusing on Smith, where you clearly disagree, I will just focus on the 100 year history of the NFL, and running backs who all carried the rock more than CMC does, and all had long, healthy careers?  Have a look at the carry totals for Emmitt Smith, Walter Payton, Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, Marshall Faulk, etc, etc, etc... You don't have a leg to stand on in this debate dude. 250-300+ carries on a season for an RB is pedestrian for the vast majority of NFL history.  It's not going to wear him down and cripple him in two years.  You're just regurgitating talking points from others without actually giving it any thought.

And yes, I played football for 12 years, dipsh*t.

[DeAngelo Beason]

19 minutes ago, Black&BlueBubba said:

I would be happy if I never saw this many touches the rest of the season. 

 

 

If those touches result in a win, who cares?  Without him touching the ball that many times, we lose that game, plain and simple.

[Floppin]

2 minutes ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

Ok.  Instead of focusing on Smith, where you clearly disagree, I will just focus on the 100 year history of the NFL, and running backs who all carried the rock more than CMC does, and all had long, healthy careers?  Have a look at the carry totals for Emmitt Smith, Walter Payton, Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, Marshall Faulk, etc, etc, etc... You don't have a leg to stand on in this debate dude. 250-300+ carries on a season for an RB is pedestrian for the vast majority of NFL history.  It's not going to wear him down and cripple him in two years.  You're just regurgitating talking points from others without actually giving it any thought.

And yes, I played football for 12 years, dipsh*t.

I'm glad you finally realized that using Smitty as your comparison benchmark was retarded. Good job, you formed a coherent argument.  Maybe by now you'll realize that I never said that CMC wouldn't have a long career. I was only pointing out that using Smitty as a comparison to try and prove that he would was not relevant. 

[DeAngelo Beason]

2 minutes ago, Floppin said:

I'm glad you finally realized that using Smitty as your comparison benchmark was retarded. Good job, you formed a coherent argument.  Maybe by now you'll realize that I never said that CMC wouldn't have a long career. I was only pointing out that using Smitty as a comparison to try and prove that he would was not relevant. 

Perhaps if you'd read my penultimate post you would have seen that I already conceded you refused to agree on Smith, and had moved on to an historical comparison against other RBs.  Instead of reading to understand, you were reading to reply.  Typical hot-headed BS from the childish brats that come to this forum.

[Floppin]

Just now, DeAngelo Beason said:

Perhaps if you'd read my penultimate post you would have seen that I already conceded you refused to agree on Smith, and had moved on to an historical comparison against other RBs.  Instead of reading to understand, you were reading to reply.  Typical hot-headed BS from the childish brats that come to this forum.

I'm pretty sure it's you who doesn't understand. I don't care about his historical comparisons. I, for one, think that CMC will have a very long career. I've seen nothing to concern me regarding his health - in fact, quite the opposite. My argument with you was strictly about you using Smitty as a point in argument. It was, and still is, dumb.

[DeAngelo Beason]

1 minute ago, Floppin said:

I'm pretty sure it's you who doesn't understand. I don't care about his historical comparisons. I, for one, think that CMC will have a very long career. I've seen nothing to concern me regarding his health - in fact, quite the opposite. My argument with you was strictly about you using Smitty as a point in argument. It was, and still is, dumb.

Well that's an opinion I disagree with, and believe I provided a coherent argument against, but at least you eventually managed to come up with some sort of logic to back a rebutting statement up, instead of spouting off smartass remarks like a little kid, so congrats.

[Floppin]

Just now, DeAngelo Beason said:

Well that's an opinion I disagree with, and believe I provided a coherent argument against, but at least you eventually managed to come up with some sort of logic to back a rebutting statement up, instead of spouting off smartass remarks like a little kid, so congrats.

I mean, if you don't want to be dismissed out-of-hand don't make a totally useless statement like "But but Smitty, derp derp" and it won't happen - and if, god forbid, that you decide to continue to do so in the future, please make sure you outlay your rationale straight out the gate so that you can be further dismissed as worthy of ignoring. Lastly, please try and not get so butthurt when called out about your dumbass one-liner response not making any sense or being anything other than totally useless in the future. TIA. Just take the loss and move on instead of throwing a grown man hissy-fit. 

I won't be replying to this line of argument anymore. I'm not sure why I even humored you this long.

[trueblade]

42 minutes ago, Black&BlueBubba said:

I would be happy if I never saw this many touches the rest of the season. 

 

22 minutes ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

If those touches result in a win, who cares?  Without him touching the ball that many times, we lose that game, plain and simple.

CMC currently has 86 carries (not total touches, JUST rushing). If he keeps that pace, he will log 344 carries this season.

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"Since 2011, only one running back increased his total rushing yardage the next year after toting the rock 300 times in a single season. That man was Marshawn Lynch. Not including that Beast Mode outlier (while also disregarding Zeke's suspension year and Le'Veon Bell's holdout), all other running backs saw their total rushing marks dip, on average, by 762 yards the following year.

Let me say again: 762 yards. Poof. Vanished overnight. 

Granted, some of that was certainly due to injury (i.e. Arian Foster in 2013, Doug Martin in 2013, Adrian Peterson in 2016), but that's part of the point, isn't it? Durability concerns are very real when you're talking about running backs who've accrued such high mileage over the course of a season.

On average, their yards per carry dipped by roughly 0.8. You'll also notice that a few of those listed above saw a slight increase in their YPC the following year (MJD, Foster, and LeSean McCoy the second time), though again, those three also saw a substantial dip in their carry totals and total yardage.

It's also worth noting this group's touchdown numbers dropped by 5.7 the next year."

 

source: https://fantasyknuckleheads.com/red-flags-ezekiel-elliott-and-the-curse-of-300-carries/

[DeAngelo Beason]

1 hour ago, trueblade said:

 

CMC currently has 86 carries (not total touches, JUST rushing). If he keeps that pace, he will log 344 carries this season.

source: https://fantasyknuckleheads.com/red-flags-ezekiel-elliott-and-the-curse-of-300-carries/

Those are all good points.... but I'll say again.  I'll take a win over giving CMC a break any day.  I'm not saying we shouldn't be working on giving him a spell here and there, but the reality is he's a threat to take it the distance every time he touches the ball.