N/P: Breaking News: Gov. Gavin Newsom of California will sign a bill to let college athletes make endorsement deals

[1of10Charnatives]

1 hour ago, Bartin said:

Some kid signing his lifetime image rights away for like $10k then becoming a superstar and he can’t profit from it is a pretty big possibility.

Booster money going to the players instead the programs causing money short falls which lead to the elimination of many non-revenue sports is another.

I would think the former would happen once and then become a widely known cautionary tale.

I'm dubious at the notion that booster money intended for revenue sports, which would be what gets redirected to athletes directly anyway, does much to support non revenue sports already. Dean Smith famously insisted that basketball money at UNC was shared with other athletic pursuits, but I'm pretty confident he was the exception rather than the rule. People who are okay with the donations going to the diving team will continue to donate and they aren't the ones funneling money directly to the football stars. Those people typically want their money only to benefit directly the revenue sports they are supporting.

Still, it's a possibility, but I have faith that collegiate athletics can endure and not crumble if a few kids are actually allowed to profit from their own work.

[TheRumGone]

I don’t see how anyone could be against this

[SBiii]

5 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Dean Smith famously insisted that basketball money at UNC was shared with other athletic pursuits, but I'm pretty confident he was the exception rather than the rule.

I'm interested to learn more about this.....where might I read up on it?

[4Corners]

15 hours ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

But if come back and use the same NCAA has handed down no penalties argument you used , you’re not gonna like that are you? See you wanna make allegations but I never blindly asserted the program was clean the way you did. All I did was challenge you to provide proof to back up your assertions. Note you cited infractions committed by people at other schools when recruiting players who eventually came to Duke. Last time I checked Duke wasn’t responsible for Ga Tech’s recruiting practices so stop trying to smear by association.

The OTL report and others are not meaningfully different from independent reporting that shows the fake class stuff stank to high heaven regardless of what the NCAA said. The difference between you and I is I don’t have my head stuck in the sand trying to pretend my school is squeaky clean and everybody else is cheating. Get off your high horse and face reality. The whole system is broken and that includes every top program out there, no exception for your personal favorites.

There is no more or less evidence that Duke cheats than Carolina. The difference is I never said they didn’t, I just challenged you to live up to the same standard by documenting your allegations. So here’s the deal: either outside reports count as evidence of cheating and both schools are guilty or only NCAA reports count and neither is. You don’t get to point to one standard about Duke and apply another to UNC. Pick whichever standard you want but either neither has been found guilty or they both have. You can’t have it both ways.

Zion is implicated on FBI recordings that he was requesting extra benefits such as private school for his siblings, jobs for his family, and a house. He just turned those down from Kansas and went to duke? 
 

 

here is more evidence of duke wrong doing: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/11/sports/meredith-watson-corey-maggette.html

a student athlete (and I use the word student here very loosely) accused of rape and the duke administration refused to investigate the allegations. Not to mention the deadspin report a few years ago after Rasheed Suliamon was dismissed, that Suliamon was a sexual predator and that duke had also refused to investigate these claims. Embarrassing. 
 

Like I said there is cheating, and then there is dook. Their unethical behavior and cheating is in an entirely different universe when compared to other schools sliding a little bit of money a recruits way. The good Ol private school wall also helps where they don’t get FOIA requests 10x a day from nosey reporters - not that anyone from the N&O would investigate them anyway. LOL! 

[4Corners]

What will  happen if players are allowed to monetize their name and likeness is that schools/programs (like dook) will offer a “recruiting bonus” that comes with an endorsement agreement. If Joe Blow, the #3 ranked prospect, signs with dook basketball - he will automatically be eligible for an endorsement deal with Nike, Colvard Farms, or fill in the blank - which will basically allow programs to launder bribe money to recruits in a form of a bogus and sham endorsement deal. 

[raz]

kinda curious why the money the ncaa makes is not 100% funneled back into college athletics, specifically funding underfunded college athletics.  just weird

[raz]

and good on zion for asking for meaningful things.  keep pretending duke is worse than unc.   

[raleigh-panther]

So, does this mean they do not get scholarships for their education anymore ?

Sorry, but that education is worth something and if they are getting paid, no free tuition 

 

 

[4Corners]

18 minutes ago, raz said:

and good on zion for asking for meaningful things.  keep pretending duke is worse than unc.   

So cheating and breaking the rules are ok as long as duke is doing it? You sure u a UNC fan?

why do you think that all former duke basketball assistants take HC gigs at private schools? It’s because the cheating is easier and it’s harder for investigators to connect the dots - they learned that from the Rat himself. 

[4Corners]

5 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

So, does this mean they do not get scholarships for their education anymore ?

Sorry, but that education is worth something and if they are getting paid, no free tuition 

 

 

The schools aren’t paying them in this proposal - at least not legally. This is all about the players gaining the right to market them selves openly and monetize their names and likeness. 

[Ja Rhule]

11 hours ago, TheRumGone said:

I don’t see how anyone could be against this

Everywhere in the world... soccer players get paid at 16.  

[1of10Charnatives]

47 minutes ago, 4Corners said:

Zion is implicated on FBI recordings that he was requesting extra benefits such as private school for his siblings, jobs for his family, and a house. He just turned those down from Kansas and went to duke? 
 

 

here is more evidence of duke wrong doing: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/11/sports/meredith-watson-corey-maggette.html

a student athlete (and I use the word student here very loosely) accused of rape and the duke administration refused to investigate the allegations. Not to mention the deadspin report a few years ago after Rasheed Suliamon was dismissed, that Suliamon was a sexual predator and that duke had also refused to investigate these claims. Embarrassing. 
 

Like I said there is cheating, and then there is dook. Their unethical behavior and cheating is in an entirely different universe when compared to other schools sliding a little bit of money a recruits way. The good Ol private school wall also helps where they don’t get FOIA requests 10x a day from nosey reporters - not that anyone from the N&O would investigate them anyway. LOL! 

Again, it's very simple. Use a consistent standard. You wanted to dismiss the allegations against UNC because the NCAA cleared them, yet outside reporting made it evident that there was plenty going on that was way out of bounds ethically. If you want to use outside reporting as you have just cited, then sure there are problems at Duke, and as previously stated, I wasn't the one saying my program was squeaky clean, you were. 

So we can safely assume based on your post here that you accept the standard of outside reporting and obviously UNC is just as dirty as anybody else. The difference is I never asserted Duke was squeaky clean, you just said Carolina was, yet you prefer to ignore facts just because they didn't come from the corrupt organization whose self interest lies in protecting both programs, and you're still perfectly willing to use what other programs did in recruiting a player who came to Duke to cast aspersions on that program. Your level of intellectual honesty is quite clearly at this point non existent as even when your inconsistencies are pointed out to you, you just go right on doing them.

The conversation has made it abundantly clear that neither program is clean and the entire system is broken, the difference is one of us is willing to accept this and the other is lying to himself and rationalizing to ignore obvious realities. For someone like that to be the arbiter of who is worse than whom is a pretty laughable proposition. But thanks for playing. 

[4Corners]

3 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Again, it's very simple. Use a consistent standard. You wanted to dismiss the allegations against UNC because the NCAA cleared them, yet outside reporting made it evident that there was plenty going on that was way out of bounds ethically. If you want to use outside reporting as you have just cited, then sure there are problems at Duke, and as previously stated, I wasn't the one saying my program was squeaky clean, you were. 

So we can safely assume based on your post here that you accept the standard of outside reporting and obviously UNC is just as dirty as anybody else. The difference is I never asserted Duke was squeaky clean, you just said Carolina was, yet you prefer to ignore facts just because they didn't come from the corrupt organization whose self interest lies in protecting both programs, and you're still perfectly willing to use what other programs did in recruiting a player who came to Duke to cast aspersions on that program. Your level of intellectual honesty is quite clearly at this point non existent as even when your inconsistencies are pointed out to you, you just go right on doing them.

The conversation has made it abundantly clear that neither program is clean and the entire system is broken, the difference is one of us is willing to accept this and the other is lying to himself and rationalizing to ignore obvious realities. For someone like that to be the arbiter of who is worse than whom is a pretty laughable proposition. But thanks for playing. 

What “outside reporting” - don’t you dare link me to a Dan Kane or N&O article 

[1of10Charnatives]

1 hour ago, 4Corners said:

Zion is implicated on FBI recordings that he was requesting extra benefits such as private school for his siblings, jobs for his family, and a house. He just turned those down from Kansas and went to duke? 
 

 

here is more evidence of duke wrong doing: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/11/sports/meredith-watson-corey-maggette.html

a student athlete (and I use the word student here very loosely) accused of rape and the duke administration refused to investigate the allegations. Not to mention the deadspin report a few years ago after Rasheed Suliamon was dismissed, that Suliamon was a sexual predator and that duke had also refused to investigate these claims. Embarrassing. 
 

Like I said there is cheating, and then there is dook. Their unethical behavior and cheating is in an entirely different universe when compared to other schools sliding a little bit of money a recruits way. The good Ol private school wall also helps where they don’t get FOIA requests 10x a day from nosey reporters - not that anyone from the N&O would investigate them anyway. LOL! 

And now you're pooing unrelated posts I've made in other threads just because you don't like what I said here. Very mature.