Ron Rivera Appreciation

[raz]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Just doing what I always do and giving my honest opinion...

Admittedly, I have looked into buying flame resistant underwear (it's kinda expensive).

you would think getting poo'd 20 times on 1 post would suck, but it doesn't, and i would know

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, raz said:

you would think getting poo'd 20 times on 1 post would suck, but it doesn't, and i would know

I've never cared that much about pie or poo.

There' are people whose opinion I respect. What they tell me matters. Others, not so much.

(that's true in real life, too)

[Pantherxtreme]

2 minutes ago, Baskinridge said:

A Jeff Fisher type coach with Cam Newton and Luke Kuechly type players that still managed 3 winning seasons out of 9 with a barely above mediocre win vs loss ratio.

Hopefully we sign this guy for life!

Let's give some credit to Dave Gettleman for letting our top 3 receivers walk after the 2013 season and drafting slow Kelvin Benjamin a season when Cam Newton and Rivera's defense led us to a 12-4 record. Blame Gettleman again after the  Super bowl 2015 season for letting Norman walk, weakening our secondary and then doubling down by drafting 3 cornerbacks in the early rounds in which only one panned out limiting our talent and depth on both sides of the lines. 

[Waldo]

Wait. Flames are bad? It thought it was good rep.

[Baskinridge]

7 minutes ago, Pantherxtreme said:

Let's give some credit to Dave Gettleman for letting our top 3 receivers walk after the 2013 season and drafting slow Kelvin Benjamin a season when Cam Newton and Rivera's defense led us to a 12-4 record. Blame Gettleman again after the  Super bowl 2015 season for letting Norman walk, weakening our secondary and then doubling down by drafting 3 cornerbacks in the early rounds in which only one panned out limiting our talent and depth on both sides of the lines. 

Rivera (and the panthers as a whole) had their most successful run during Gettleman's time here. Granted that success is pretty relative to what some of the rest of the league can achieve since this franchise has still not managed to have back to back winning seasons. Both before and after him Gettleman? Not so much. Whats funny is i'm glad he is gone and I have lots of criticisms of him. Here's the thing though, he is gone. Rivera and Hurney however, are not, and neither have had much success in the entirety of their tenures which include the times both before and after Gettleman. We should strive for much much better and not just settle for mediocrity. 

[TN05]

1 hour ago, Jon Snow said:

Thanks for the 3 winning seasons out of 9.  

4 playoff seasons. Three division titles, maybe more if not for Gettleman’s ineptitude in 2016.

[Waldo]

I love how you can't mention Rivera in a golden light without attaching an excuse. That kinda sums up Rivera.

He's not great and he's not terrible.

[TheRed]

53 minutes ago, MVPccaffrey said:

It's amazing how much better Ron suddenly got at managing TOs when he has a QB that isn't staring up at the jumbotron after every play.

Yeah man it must have sucked so bad for poor Ron Rivera to watch that unfocused QB Cam Newton lead the Carolina Panthers to 15 regular season wins and a Super Bowl.

[1of10Charnatives]

1 hour ago, MVPccaffrey said:

It's amazing how much better Ron suddenly got at managing TOs when he has a QB that isn't staring up at the jumbotron after every play.

There is at least one person whose job it is to correct behavior in a QB that leads to consistently wasting TO's or taking delay of game penalties over time. That person is head coach. OC might be another, but at a minimum HC. If it was Cam's behavior (and it now clearly looks like it is) that is leading to these issues, then at least some of the responsiblity for having corrected it before Cam reached 30 falls on Ron.

[1of10Charnatives]

51 minutes ago, Baskinridge said:

Rivera (and the panthers as a whole) had their most successful run during Gettleman's time here. Granted that success is pretty relative to what some of the rest of the league can achieve since this franchise has still not managed to have back to back winning seasons. Both before and after him Gettleman? Not so much. Whats funny is i'm glad he is gone and I have lots of criticisms of him. Here's the thing though, he is gone. Rivera and Hurney however, are not, and neither have had much success in the entirety of their tenures which include the times both before and after Gettleman. We should strive for much much better and not just settle for mediocrity. 

[Mr. Scot]

12 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

There is at least one person whose job it is to correct behavior in a QB that leads to consistently wasting TO's or taking delay of game penalties over time. That person is head coach. OC might be another, but at a minimum HC. If it was Cam's behavior (and it now clearly looks like it is) that is leading to these issues, then at least some of the responsiblity for having corrected it before Cam reached 30 falls on Ron.

You probably haven't been around long enough to see it, but Igo has long contended that the team walks on eggshells around Newton.

Valid? I'm not the person to ask, but it's plausible.

[1of10Charnatives]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

You probably haven't been around long enough to see it, but Igo has long contended that the team walks on eggshells around Newton.

Valid? I'm not the person to ask, but it's plausible.

Sure, and while a franchise qb in the NFL knows he is the least replaceable player on any team, giving him enormous leverage, if he wants to win he'll still accept coaching that holds him accountable to get better. The team might walk on eggshells around Newton but Rivera can't afford to if he wants his qb to get to the level it takes to win a SB and stay there. Present circumstances appear to lend creedance to Igo's contention. The last time I hung out with Rivera and Newton we only talked about English cricket matches and bbq recipes, so I'm not sure if Ron has mentioned it to him, but he should have.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Sure, and while a franchise qb in the NFL knows he is the least replaceable player on any team, giving him enormous leverage, if he wants to win he'll still accept coaching that holds him accountable to get better. The team might walk on eggshells around Newton but Rivera can't afford to if he wants his qb to get to the level it takes to win a SB and stay there. Present circumstances appear to lend creedance to Igo's contention. The last time I hung out with Rivera and Newton we only talked about English cricket matches and bbq recipes, so I'm not sure if Ron has mentioned it to him, but he should have.

Australian Rules Football is more interesting.

[1of10Charnatives]

3 minutes ago, Nesbro1 said:

Cam is definitely to blame for not only the play clock but the last two minutes. 

He takes his time getting out of the huddle. And often is too nonchalant inside two minutes. 

It's been a trend of his.

Some athletes have a hard time walking the fine line between being calm under pressure and having a sense of urgency. *shrugs* Maybe that's Cam. Cool under pressure but challenged to do things quickly when speed matters.