Kyle Allen's 4 games vs Cam's 8 with new OC Norv

[Ivan The Awesome]

Just now, rico6 said:

Whatever man, just say $cam sux, you hate him and take a seat.

First off. I quoted the wrong person that resposne was actually not for you 

 

Secondly I don't hate Cam at all. I was his biggest supporter for years. I've been on the other side of the argument. It's tiresome to see the same result year after year. He regressed a lot and he's frankly hit his ceiling. Y'all talk about potential but If you don't reach that potential then it's an empty trait. Cam can get better and has the ability to do so but he does not. He throws off his back foot throws ints like a mofo, doesn't make the best decisions and hasn't really carried this team.since 2015. It's asinine to live back in 2015. It's 2019 and he's been more injured than not. 

[Ivan The Awesome]

2 minutes ago, ncfan said:

What are you talking about his OL has been terrible

We put in new young OL when Allen stepped in and theyve been better.

Dont see how your not getting this

 

Daley/Little>Kalil, Clark, Williams at LT dont understand how some of you guys dont get this. My lord

This Allen situation has completely made part of this fan base delusional 

...and? When Cam comes back you're going to see him hold on to the ball way too long and take sacks. You're going to see the same mistakes he's always prone to make. The point is it doesn't matter if you have the best Oline in the fuging NFL Cam will still find a way to fug it up. By the way in the SB year he had one of the best olines in football. Until the SB debacle. So STFU about the Oline being responsible for Cam's mistakes. 

[CRA]

35 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Higher completion %

More ypg pass And rushing 

playing twice the games

Vs better competition 

Behind a worse OL

With Funchess as your starting WR

Thats nit picking?

It’s bogus to compare 4 vs 8 though

and then you defend it some very questionable stuff.  Like Cam had a worse OL? Not sure how you make that argument.  Better comp? You sure? Maybe and only because Cam has more games to choose from and hindsight of what his seasons was....but he played a lot of trash too.  Bad teams with bad defenses.  

 

[Toomers]

3 minutes ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

...and? When Cam comes back you're going to see him hold on to the ball way too long and take sacks. You're going to see the same mistakes he's always prone to make. The point is it doesn't matter if you have the best Oline in the fuging NFL Cam will still find a way to fug it up. By the way in the SB year he had one of the best olines in football. Until the SB debacle. So STFU about the Oline being responsible for Cam's mistakes. 

Is this like when you tried to convince everyone Matt Kalil was good? Because it sure seems like the same evaluation method. 

[Ivan The Awesome]

1 minute ago, Toomers said:

Is this like when you tried to convince everyone Matt Kalil was good? Because it sure seems like the same evaluation method. 

How much is the rest space in your head bro? It's flattering to have a spot in that mind of yours. 

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

How much is the rest space in your head bro? It's flattering to have a spot in that mind of yours. 

Nah. That level of ignorance stands out and says everything anyone needs to know about your knowledge of anything football related. 

[CRA]

2 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

I dont even think that is a question. By saying Allen is asked to do less that is basically admitting he isn't as good to do more as Newton is. If Cmc is asked to do less that's better for his long term career. Your going to run CmC into the ground just like the Rams did Gurley. He was thought of as a generational talent and even better than CMC.

Now look at him after all the touches and he isn't even what 27-28?

What’s best for the Panthers is the right combo that nets wins.   

Like I said,  Cam has been asked to do more than virtually all starting QBs since he entered the league.  That is a double edged sword to a degree.  Means he can accumulate diverse individual production others simply can’t.....but teams with lesser QBs can be better offensively. 

[ncfan]

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

It’s bogus to compare 4 vs 8 though

and then you defend it some very questionable stuff.  Like Cam had a worse OL? Not sure how you make that argument.  Better comp? You sure? Maybe and only because Cam has more games to choose from and hindsight of what his seasons was....but he played a lot of trash too.  Bad teams with bad defenses.  

 

Litterally everyone can see the OL has been better with Daley.  Half this fan base has gone to delusional since this Allen win streak to admit it.

 

Um yeah, 

Cam in that stretch played a few top 15 defenses.  This 4 game stretch, 2 of those were 32nd and 30th out of 32.  And no Allen didn't single handedly cause those to be 2 out of the 3 worst defenses in football.

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

I dont think that's what he ment word for word. But it basically illustrates it's more simplified than what's asked of newton.  More dump downs short yardage type throws. Which has never been what Newton does. 

If you're going to tell me that you're an expert and dazzle me with your brilliant opinion, don't screw up a basic fact that anybody who's been in your position should know.

DeAngelo should either know what system we run or not reference it, especially given that he bases his analysis on it.

[Ivan The Awesome]

2 minutes ago, Toomers said:

Nah. That level of ignorance stands out and says everything anyone needs to know about your knowledge of anything football related. 

Is that your final answer? I think you can try a little harder. Because it's a Matt Kalil worthy comment. Might give it a multi million dollar contract. 

 

In all seriousness, you mean nothing to me toomers. Keep indulging in your fake self importance and holier than thou, never been wrong in your life facade. It must work well if you are still here posting. 

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

Is that your final answer? I think you can try a little harder. Because it's a Matt Kalil worthy comment. Might give it a multi million dollar contract. 

 

In all seriousness, you mean nothing to me toomers. Keep indulging in your fake self importance and holier than thou, never been wrong in your life facade. It must work well if you are still here posting. 

You do whatever you must to feel like you know WTF you’re talking about. Just have that same feeling I did when you spilled that drivel about Kalil. We will probably be talking about this one at a later date as well. 
 

    

[CRA]

17 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Litterally everyone can see the OL has been better with Daley.  Half this fan base has gone to delusional since this Allen win streak to admit it.

 

Um yeah, 

Cam in that stretch played a few top 15 defenses.  This 4 game stretch, 2 of those were 32nd and 30th out of 32.  And no Allen didn't single handedly cause those to be 2 out of the 3 worst defenses in football.

OLs look different with different QBs.  Allen’s plays in a manner that will help a OL look better.  Allen has played half his games without our one legit lineman in Turner and we have been shuffling a bunch of hopefuls.  

5 of the 8 defenses were bottom 10 Cam played and a lot of bad teams. He basically played the Ravens.   And did great (his best game) but that was it.  

[ncfan]

4 minutes ago, CRA said:

OLs look different with different QBs.  Allen’s plays in a manner that will help a OL look better.  Allen has played half his games without our one legit lineman in Turner and we have been shuffling a bunch of hopefuls.  

5 of the 8 defenses were bottom 10.  

This is true 

But anyone with half an eye could tell you that Daley has been better than Kalil, Clark, and Williams on the Left

Yes Williams has had to take over the RG spot.  But Williams has admitted he is right side dominant.  Was a GOOD powerful RT and some though he couldve taken the LG spot before he went LT to RG for Turner.

 

Im actually shocked that im sitting here arguing that this current OL isnt worse than Kalil/Clark LT, Kalil at Center, and Van Roten who lastb year graded as one of the worst OGs in the league.

[CRA]

16 minutes ago, ncfan said:

This is true 

But anyone with half an eye could tell you that Daley has been better than Kalil, Clark, and Williams on the Left

Yes Williams has had to take over the RG spot.  But Williams has admitted he is right side dominant.  Was a GOOD powerful RT and some though he couldve taken the LG spot before he went LT to RG for Turner.

 

Im actually shocked that im sitting here arguing that this current OL isnt worse than Kalil/Clark LT, Kalil at Center, and Van Roten who lastb year graded as one of the worst OGs in the league.

We have a fumble prone young QB who gets rid of the ball fast.  That just matters.   And opponents know that. 

When Cam returns we will get a better gauge on them because he will ask them to do more for him than we are asking of them now. 

I just think to big of an effort is being made to try to paint Cam in a better light than Allen.  It just isn’t needed.  Cam is better.  I want him back to make a run.  Don’t want him rushed back because of this Allen hysteria.   Want his foot fully healed so he can be Cam.