SB nation article says you are stupid if you think there's a true QB controversy

[CPF4LIFE]

1 hour ago, LegioX said:

Allen is not playing like a backup (as of now). If he keeps playing at this level and Cam comes back 100% its going to be really hard to keep him as a backup. Some team will come calling.

 Based off what? 

[Sam Mills Fan]

I like how you called this an SB Nation article instead of a James Dator article. 

[Ja Rhule]

2 minutes ago, ncfan said:

1. He was throwing bombs all camp.  Guess you missed the daily Samuel hype bombs

2. If his foot is TRUELY 100%, why cant he run?  Did I miss something, the he hurt something else?

He threw few 40 yard passes in practice...  but not in first game of the season?  Also, do you really want 30+ year old QB with health issues to take more hits?

[Jaxel]

I think a 5-0 record with 9 td's to 0 int's and 3 above average showings is making me feel he is trending towards that possible franchise QB direction.

[PhillyB]

1 minute ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

I like how you called this an SB Nation article instead of a James Dator article. 

we all liked how you logged off and never posted again

[1of10Charnatives]

6 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

and you think that's what's happening here? the defense forced 6 turnovers and 7 sacks on sunday. who led this team to the win again? can you name the last time a defense put on that kind of a show and lost?

the panthers are winning in spite of their quarterback situation (duh lol their mvp quarterback is out). the last 4 would have been ugly if not for a guy like mccaffrey routinely turning passes caught at or behind the LOS into chunk plays. very low demand on allen so far. his completion % is boosted by his  average depth of target which is why depth adjusted accuracy measures don't find him to be all that accurate. the offense is literally "don't turn it over just wait for a skill position player to pop one" which is why, for example, on sunday something like 11 drives ended with 9 or fewer yards against a real bad passing defense

now when you point these things out there's a rhetorical trick being employed here on this forum. it goes from "wow he's playing really good" when he's not to "oh so what do you expect from an udfa 23 year old qb huh???" it keeps happening. he is fully insulated from criticism. meanwhile posters get a pass for some truly bewildering takes on cam.

You mention rhetorical tricks yet say the panthers are winning in spite of their qb situation. "In spite of" is in this context a highly prejudicial phrase that implies current qb play is a negative. Please clearly and specificly elaborate on the aspects of Allen's play sunday that you feel actively worked against the team's success. Not taking over the game is not equivalent to actively working against the team's success.

[PhillyB]

4 minutes ago, Jaxel said:

I think a 5-0 record with 9 td's to 0 int's and 3 above average showings is making me feel he is trending towards that possible franchise QB direction.

efficiency and protecting the ball is great! franchise QBs do more than that though, they are a threat to break a game every time they touch the ball.

kyle allen is very efficient, well liked, and a great guy to step in and run things. not one thing about him screams game breaker.

for those invariably responded "but we don't know if he is yet!" i would say you've neutered your case to replace cam newton

[1of10Charnatives]

3 minutes ago, Jaxel said:

I think a 5-0 record with 9 td's to 0 int's and 3 above average showings is making me feel he is trending towards that possible franchise QB direction.

It makes me think it's possible, but when people point out the long list of qb's who have come out of nowhere to look good for short periods up to and including whole seasons, only to fade to obscurity over time, they aren't being jerks, they are rightly counseling caution.

[Sam Mills Fan]

2 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

we all liked how you logged off and never posted again

Most of my haters have stopped their obsession with me, but you never have. Is it because I made fun of your poor book sales?

[PhillyB]

3 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

You mention rhetorical tricks yet say the panthers are winning in spite of their qb situation. "In spite of" is in this context a highly prejudicial phrase that implies current qb play is a negative. Please clearly and specificly elaborate on the aspects of Allen's play sunday that you feel actively worked against the team's success. Not taking over the game is not equivalent to actively working against the team's success.

not literally in spite of, but kyle is afforded the ability to take safe throws by his stellar defense

[PhillyB]

Just now, Sam Mills Fan said:

Most of my haters have stopped their obsession with me, but you never have. Is it because I made fun of your poor book sales?

I paid my house off with them. PM me for an autograph 

[Sam Mills Fan]

2 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

I paid my house off with them. PM me for an autograph 

Mmhmm. As do all authors with books ranked in the #1,480,000 range on Amazon.

[1of10Charnatives]

Just now, PhillyB said:

efficiency and protecting the ball is great! franchise QBs do more than that though, they are a threat to break a game every time they touch the ball.

kyle allen is very efficient, well liked, and a great guy to step in and run things. not one thing about him screams game breaker.

for those invariably responded "but we don't know if he is yet!" i would say you've weakened your case to replace cam newton

If you examine both Tom Brady and Ben Rothlisberger's careers, you can say pretty confidently that both were game managers early on, placed into ideal situations with talent around them that did not demand exceptional play in order to achieve success. Over time both evolved into qb's any team would envy, but it took literally years. I am not saying Kyle Allen will become the next Brady or Rothlisberger, merely that his early performance provides hints that such growth over time may be possible. I don't think any credible evidence exists at this moment to favor playing Allen long term if Cam comes back and proves effective. However if he does, the franchise is stuck choosing between one of two gambles:

1. The gamble that Cam can stay healthy long term or

2. The gamble that Allen will become more than he is now over time and not less.

Since my crystal ball is at the cleaners this week I have no idea which choice is the better path and the crazy thing is it's entirely possible that both or none of them could work out for the best. I'm just glad I'm not the guy who has to make that decision, but I would be willing to trade paychecks with him and suck it up if he wants out because I can flip a coin as well as the next guy.

[Jaxel]

9 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

efficiency and protecting the ball is great! franchise QBs do more than that though, they are a threat to break a game every time they touch the ball.

kyle allen is very efficient, well liked, and a great guy to step in and run things. not one thing about him screams game breaker.

for those invariably responded "but we don't know if he is yet!" i would say you've neutered your case to replace cam newton

The list of Franchise QB's who were able to do that right out of the gate are very few and far between. 

I can think of 4 certain HOFers that are currently playing that didn't threaten to break the game their first 5 games.