Since the 1970 merger, every coach/QB combo to win the SB does so in 5 years

[Tbe]

2015 was Ron and Cam’s 5th year.

Discuss. I don’t know the stats, but if Cam goes do our odds of winning an SB within the next 5-7 years go up more if we also get rid of Ron?
 

 

[1of10Charnatives]

This is a crazy weird but intriguing piece of information. Helluva find, thanks for sharing. 

[KillaCamNewton]

outside of Brees, Ben, and Brady which QB has been with their coach as long as Cam? honestly cant think of one

[1of10Charnatives]

Hrm, maybe the point is that since the NFL stands for Not For Long, given the turnover in both qb's and coaches, few qb coach combinations even make it longer than five years. I'd like to see the info on how many such combinations have even existed, because I think it would be useful context.

[Castavar]

Wow. That's some pretty eye popping analytics tbh. So basically this just validates what most of us have felt............... Rivera should have been canned a while ago.

[arbnranger]

Had no idea. Great post!

[1of10Charnatives]

5 minutes ago, Castavar said:

Wow. That's some pretty eye popping analytics tbh. So basically this just validates what most of us have felt............... Rivera should have been canned a while ago.

pretty much. I mean I wouldn't rest my whole case against Rivera on just this, but there is plenty else, this is just kind of the cherry on top.

[t96]

16 minutes ago, KillaCamNewton said:

outside of Brees, Ben, and Brady which QB has been with their coach as long as Cam? honestly cant think of one

There are only 6 coaches who have been with their current teams longer than Ron:

Harbaugh 2008

Garrett 2010

Belichick 2000

Payton 2006

Tomlin 2007

Carroll 2010

All with newer QBs than Cam except for the ones you mentioned.

[1of10Charnatives]

I like that we don't fire coaches on a whim as an organization. I do think that the NFL cans most coaches too quickly and they are often a conveniant scapegoat, but I think there are just too many things pointing to Ron's time should be up.

[WarPanthers89]

Very interesting indeed.

[Castavar]

14 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

pretty much. I mean I wouldn't rest my whole case against Rivera on just this, but there is plenty else, this is just kind of the cherry on top.

Of course. It's just extra validation for the people that's been wanting him gone for a while (including me). I mean it makes sense though. 5 years is a good amount of time to find your identity as a team, get your guy at QB, and make a push for the superbowl. That should be more than enough time to determine whether that coach+QB combo is good enough to win a superbowl or not. We had our chance in 2015 and the outcome was we weren't good enough, and that coincides with this statistic as that would have been 5 years of Ron+Cam. I wouldn't have necessarily fired him the season after the superbowl, but I DEFINITELY would have fired him in 2017 when we lost to the same damn team 3 fuggin times.

[Tbe]

To me these stats make sense. Getting to an SB is really hard and takes a ton of effort for everyone in the org. Most of the time, that type of effort needs the spark that comes from a (relatively) fresh start. 
 

in hindsight, we should have traded either Cam or Ron right after the 2015 loss. We would have pulled in quite the draft pick haul for one of them and extended our window at the same time.

I pray Tepper is this ruthless.

[1of10Charnatives]

2 minutes ago, Tbe said:

To me these stats make sense. Getting to an SB is really hard and takes a ton of effort for everyone in the org. Most of the time, that type of effort needs the spark that comes from a (relatively) fresh start. 
 

in hindsight, we should have traded either Cam or Ron right after the 2015 loss. We would have pulled in quite the draft pick haul for one of them and extended our window at the same time.

I pray Tepper is this ruthless.

I see where you're coming from, but from a practical standpoint, you just can't do it. Your fanbase will lynch you if you trade your franchise qb the season after he wins MVP and comes within a badly officiated, poorly coached game of winning the Super Bowl.  They might not outright string you up for doing so with your head coach, but it would be a weird unprecedented thing that wouldn't make a lot of sense to anyone following football. Conventional wisdom is that getting to a Super Bowl buys a HC a minimum of several years of job security in a position where job security is mostly awful.

[Castavar]

6 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

I see where you're coming from, but from a practical standpoint, you just can't do it. Your fanbase will lynch you if you trade your franchise qb the season after he wins MVP and comes within a badly officiated, poorly coached game of winning the Super Bowl.  They might not outright string you up for doing so with your head coach, but it would be a weird unprecedented thing that wouldn't make a lot of sense to anyone following football. Conventional wisdom is that getting to a Super Bowl buys a HC a minimum of several years of job security in a position where job security is mostly awful.

Well, obviously there was NO WAY we were trading Cam at that point. But there could have been a good case of getting a new head coach after that superbowl debacle. Guess who DID fire their coach after they lost in the superbowl and the playoffs the year after? Oh, you know, just the team who BEAT US in the superbowl.