There is only 1 scenario for Cam Jerrell Newton in 2020

[Waldo]

10 minutes ago, Pantherzack179812 said:

You will turn around and flame Hurney for signing Delhomme to a extension after Tommy John...

I was done with Hurney a couple of years before that move and I see the reality with Cam but its hardly a time for celibration.

[1of10Charnatives]

9 minutes ago, Pantherzack179812 said:

Panthers go 11-5 and lose to the Saints in the Super Dome and Cam does just enough to demand $35 million a year long term... Hurney does it and 3 years everybody is making the I told you so posts...

 

6 minutes ago, Pantherzack179812 said:

You people are funny. One second Cam is not even worth a first rounder, you then turn around and try to bring him back on a one year... 100% guarantee his salary this year and 25% guaranteed next year... Anything less time to part ways. Not giving him $35 million for one good year after horrible injury history. Remember, Brock Osweiler made 60 million in this league without starting 16 games in a year, it don't take much to get big deals.

...

Did you just assign me a $35 million dollar figure that you made up in one post and then make fun of me for supporting a number you made up in the next post?

Cause it kinda feels like that’s what you did.

[1of10Charnatives]

3 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Well to put it in the words of a former colleague it's best to go ugly early than to waste your money on buying drinks for the hot chic and end up leaving the bar broke and empty handed.  Sage advice for the youngsters.

*blinks*

People still try to pick up women at bars?

Boy you are old.

Here lemme show you this thing called a smartphone...

[Jon Snow]

2 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

*blinks*

People still try to pick up women at bars?

Boy you are old.

Here lemme show you this thing called a smartphone...

Tried that.  That's how you catch a catfish.  

[Mr. Scot]

This thread is going in bad directions 

[Jon Snow]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

This thread is going in bad directions 

It started out in a bad direction from the jump.  It has quietly improved imo.  

[1of10Charnatives]

5 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

It started out in a bad direction from the jump.  It has quietly improved imo.  

This.

 

Also yw.

[AceBoogie]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

The only good thing I can think of that Trubisky has over Newton is his health.

I can think of two or three things Trubisky has which Newton doesn't that are not good.

He also has a little something called the benefit of the doubt...

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, AceBoogie said:

He also has a little something called the benefit of the doubt...

Which is a lot easier to get when you're healthy, and when you've got a young coach who's kind of tied to you.

Speaking of Trubisky though...

 

[Mr. Scot]

Also, since people are continuously pointing to a Bears trade...

Matt Nagy's system isn't one that really plays to Cam Newton's strengths. A Chicago trade would not be that great for him.

Granted, it could be argued that Matt Nagy's system doesn't play to anybody's strengths, but hey...

[AceBoogie]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Which is a lot easier to get when you're healthy, and when you've got a young coach who's kind of tied to you.

Speaking of Trubisky though...

 

Mr. Scot you’ve been around long enough to understand the stereotypes surrounding black qbs. To act like the narrative around Cam can be had without discussing how race plays a factor is not being authentic to what it is. White QBs traditionally have a longer leash and have more opportunities. Even when they’re washed. 

[raz]

5 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

Mr. Scot you’ve been around long enough to understand the stereotypes surrounding black qbs. To act like the narrative around Cam can be had without discussing how race plays a factor is not being authentic to what it is. White QBs traditionally have a longer leash and have more opportunities. Even when they’re washed. 

cam's leash has been way way way too long.    way too long for his own good.   his race played no factor in that unless you think he was allowed extra leash because he's black.

[KillaCamNewton]

i just know i would throw up if i ever saw Cam in a Bucs uni

wouldnt even blame him if we are stupid enough to part ways. 2 star receivers and a coach that will actually use him correctly

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, AceBoogie said:

Mr. Scot you’ve been around long enough to understand the stereotypes surrounding black qbs. To act like the narrative around Cam can be had without discussing how race plays a factor is not being authentic to what it is. White QBs traditionally have a longer leash and have more opportunities. Even when they’re washed. 

Kind of difficult to make that case using Trubisky when he's only been around for three years and is in danger of getting pulled. 

As to the narrative, it depends on what context you're talking about.

If you're talking about fans, maybe. But fans don't matter.

If you're talking about actual NFL teams, I don't agree.

I used to blame the NCAA for a lot of the failures of athletic (not just black) quarterbacks in the NFL because the college teams didn't teach them to be passers. I was hoping that would change.

Well, it did. Now the NCAA doesn't adequately prepare anybody for success in the NFL. Black, white, athletic, non-athletic, doesn't matter.

Colleges in general are doing a piss-poor job at producing NFL ready quarterbacks, and it doesn't look like it's going to be improving anytime soon. Even next year's "expected to be strong" quarterback crop could very well be suspect.

As to Newton's trajectory from here forward being affected by race, again I can't agree.

Newton is a well established commodity. He's had a highly successful career and is appreciated around the league (again, coaches and players, not fans because fans don't matter). It'd be pretty hard for anybody to argue against that.

What's likely to shorten that career though isn't his race.

It's his style of play.

Now, considering his physical gifts, playing that way made sense. But the reality is it was always going to lead to a shorter shelf life. Having the Panthers exploit that style of play didn't make it any better.

In my opinion, the turning point of Cam Newton's career isn't in the last few years. It's in 2013. That was the year that Norv Turner decided to follow Rob Chudzinski to Cleveland instead of joining the Panthers. As a result, Mike Shula got the OC job.

Had Norv Turner become the OC here in 13 rather than Shula, I think we'd have at least one Super Bowl championship right now (maybe more than one) and Newton would be healthier than he is right now.

But he didn't, and we don't, so we have to make the best of the reality that we have right now.

Sucks, but it can't be changed.