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Hurney 2.0 - The Best and The Worst moves

Jeremy Igo

By Jeremy Igo,
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5 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

The failure to address the backup position was much more glaring last season than this.

We rolled into the 2018 season with a banged up Cam Newton, a known bad offensive line, and 2 backup QB's who had never taken snaps in an NFL football game.

That is simply mismanagement at the highest order.

To compound that, we had Kalil, TD, and Peppers on a retirement tour and we had little to no shot at the playoffs as soon as Cam went down.  Ron was too scared to go to his backups, when it was clear as day that Cam couldn't play, as they were young, inexperienced, and probably couldn't get through a single practice.

It was a dumb move, but hey, we are a dumb team.

Pretty much.

Finding out that Kyle Allen was better than anybody knew is a great story, and having him on roster in the future will be a good thing.

But all in all, I'd still rather we had put this season in the hands of a guy like Josh McCown. Heck, even Matt Moore looked decent out in KC (granted you have to factor Andy Reid into that equation).

The fact that McCown was still living in Charlotte at the time just makes me wanna bang my head against the wall.

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Just now, thefuzz said:

The failure to address the backup position was much more glaring last season than this.

We rolled into the 2018 season with a banged up Cam Newton, a known bad offensive line, and 2 backup QB's who had never taken snaps in an NFL football game.

That is simply mismanagement at the highest order.

To compound that, we had Kalil, TD, and Peppers on a retirement tour and we had little to no shot at the playoffs as soon as Cam went down.  Ron was too scared to go to his backups, when it was clear as day that Cam couldn't play, as they were young, inexperienced, and probably couldn't get through a single practice.

It was a dumb move, but hey, we are a dumb team.

In fairness, the vast majority of teams have little to no shot at the playoffs when their starting qb goes down for almost the entire season.  There are a handful of exceptions of course, but its true for the most part. 

I am not necessarily defending Hurney across the board, just on the QB issue.    

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Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Pretty much.

Finding out that Kyle Allen was better than anybody knew is a great story, and having him on roster in the future will be a good thing.

But all in all, I'd still rather we have gone with a guy like Josh McCown. Heck, even Matt Moore looks decent out in KC (granted you have to factor Andy Reid in to that equation).

The fact that McCown was still living in Charlotte at the time just makes me wanna bang my head against the wall.

Fitz would have been a good one as well.  When you are vet heavy, and taking a shot at the Super Bowl, you simply had to have a backup plan in place in the case that Cam went down, we didn't.

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Just now, Davidson Deac II said:

In fairness, the vast majority of teams have little to no shot at the playoffs when their starting qb goes down for almost the entire season.  There are a handful of exceptions of course, but its true for the most part. 

I am not necessarily defending Hurney across the board, just on the QB issue.    

Simply not acceptable.  You cannot head into a season with Super Bowl aspirations, with a banged up starter, a bad offensive line, and no back up plan.

Just can't do it.

 

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1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Pretty much.

Finding out that Kyle Allen was better than anybody knew is a great story, and having him on roster in the future will be a good thing.

But all in all, I'd still rather we put this season in the hands of a guy like Josh McCown. Heck, even Matt Moore lookrf decent out in KC (granted you have to factor Andy Reid in to that equation).

The fact that McCown was still living in Charlotte at the time just makes me wanna bang my head against the wall.

Josh Mccown?  Really?  Did you see his last three starts?  The Skins and Saints would have gotten 20 sacks with Mccown as qb.  

Remember how bad it was when we put the season in the hands of Vinnie T?  Made Allen look like a probowler.  

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1 minute ago, thefuzz said:

Simply not acceptable.  You cannot head into a season with Super Bowl aspirations, with a banged up starter, a bad offensive line, and no back up plan.

Just can't do it.

Gotta throw in that we also went into that season of high expectations believing Darryl Williams was the answer at left tackle.

I'm not sure "dumb team" even covers it.

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Just now, Davidson Deac II said:

Josh Mccown?  Really?  Did you see his last three starts?  The Skins and Saints would have gotten 20 sacks with Mccown as qb.  

Remember how bad it was when we put the season in the hands of Vinnie T?  Made Allen look like a probowler.  

Yes, I still would have preferred McCown, but as Fuzz pointed out he wasn't the only option.

Throw in a different name if you want to, but it's kind of hard to dispute that a competent veteran backup would have been a really nice thing to have.

And seriously, how do you go into a season knowing your quarterback has injury issues without addressing the fallback options?

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1 minute ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Last time Hurney fielded a winning roster: 2008

That fact alone should be reason enough to send Marty packing.

2017 actually

And for those who want to credit 2017 to Gettleman, all of our best players were acquired by Hurney

2017, 11-5, Hurney was GM

Cam Newton, Greg Olsen, Luke K, Thomas Davis, Matt Kalil, Julius Peppers, J-Stew were why we went 11-5

Guess who got them? 

 

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1 minute ago, bobowilson said:

2017 actually

And for those who want to credit 2017 to Gettleman, all of our best players were acquired by Hurney

2017, 11-5, Hurney was GM

Cam Newton, Greg Olsen, Luke K, Thomas Davis, Matt Kalil, Julius Peppers, J-Stew were why we went 11-5

Guess who got them? 

The same guy that was incapable of building a winning roster around them.

The other guy did a pretty good job of that though :)

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3 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

What choice would you have made for a backup qb?  

If you say Josh Mccown, the conversation is over.  :)

There are multiples.  Tyrod, Bridgewater, Fitz, Daniels, etc...pretty much anyone with some starting experience that Ron could have somewhat trusted to trot out there vs. a CLEARLY injured Cam Newton.

Ron and Marty's mismanagement of the 2018 roster is why I wanted both gone last year....we were dumb enough to stand pat instead.

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Just now, bobowilson said:

2017 actually

And for those who want to credit 2017 to Gettleman, all of our best players were acquired by Hurney

2017, 11-5, Hurney was GM

Cam Newton, Greg Olsen, Luke K, Thomas Davis, Matt Kalil, Julius Peppers, J-Stew were why we went 11-5

Guess who got them? 

Marty can't even win with his own players.

Took another GM to come in and build a complete team (on a shoestring).

Marty built rosters have one thing in common, paper thin and full of holes.

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Just now, thefuzz said:

There are multiples.  Tyrod, Bridgewater, Fitz, Daniels, etc...pretty much anyone with some starting experience that Ron could have somewhat trusted to trot out there vs. a CLEARLY injured Cam Newton.

Ron and Marty's mismanagement of the 2018 roster is why I wanted both gone last year....we were dumb enough to stand pat instead.

Did Bridgewater actually make it to the offseason or did the Saints wrap him up beforehand? I don't remember.

He looked good when he got the chance, but Lord have mercy his "audition" in Week 17 of last year was just awful.

Still could have gone after him based on Norv Turner's connection but I guess we didn't see the need since we had Kyle.

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