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DJ Moore is #3 in the NFL in receiving yards at 22 years old

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17 minutes ago, Forty-Eight said:

Not trying to be negative on Moore but a bunch of his years yesterday came in the 4th qt as garbage yds. I like moore but he’s not really a home run guy. We need to find that guy and we’ll be good for the future. 

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2 hours ago, hepcat said:

DJ's racking up garbage time yards just like Benjamin did in 2014

19 minutes ago, Forty-Eight said:

Not trying to be negative on Moore but a bunch of his years yesterday came in the 4th qt as garbage yds. I like moore but he’s not really a home run guy. We need to find that guy and we’ll be good for the future. 

 

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The stats say otherwise...

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Just now, Cracka McNasty said:

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The stats say otherwise...

The stats also say he has more yards and TDs in the last 6 games (0-6) than he did in the previous 8 (5-3). The main reason being in every one of the last 6 games, the Panthers have been down by 2+ scores at some point in the game and were forced to pass to try and catch up. Losing tends to mean more passing and more stats.

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7 minutes ago, hepcat said:

The stats also say he has more yards and TDs in the last 6 games (0-6) than he did in the previous 8 (5-3). The main reason being in every one of the last 6 games, the Panthers have been down by 2+ scores at some point in the game and were forced to pass to try and catch up. Losing tends to mean more passing and more stats.

And if we were winning and running the ball, you'd be saying Moore isn't a true #1 due to his few receiving yards. Kinda like Smith in 2013.

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1 minute ago, Car123 said:

And if we were winning and running the ball, you'd be saying Moore isn't a true #1 due to his few receiving yards. Kinda like Smith is 2013.

Steve Smith's stats were also down in 2013 because of the switch at offensive coordinator to Mike Shula.

I'm also not saying that DJ hasn't improved or isn't showing he can be a #1 receiver, I am saying his stats are definitely padded because the team has been forced to throw because they are losing. 

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4 minutes ago, hepcat said:

Steve Smith's stats were also down in 2013 because of the switch at offensive coordinator to Mike Shula.

I'm also not saying that DJ hasn't improved or isn't showing he can be a #1 receiver, I am saying his stats are definitely padded because the team has been forced to throw because they are losing. 

The Panthers still throw much less than the Saints or Bucs

So are Michael Thomas and Godwin's stats (only guys above him) even more padded?

 

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3 hours ago, bobowilson said:

Well it's pretty simple.

Kyle Allen has the 3rd worst passer rating in the NFL, 2nd worst QBR, rated dead last of any starting QB by PFF

When your starting quarterback is performing at a historically bad level, you're going to lose a ton of games.

 

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DJ Moore will likely finish this year with approximately 1350 yards

I think he can be a 1700 yard guy if he had a quarterback who could throw deep (or an offensive line that allowed those routes to develop).  We don't even look deep because our tackles can't protect and Kyle doesn't have the arm.

 

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7 minutes ago, bobowilson said:

The Panthers still throw much less than the Saints or Bucs

So are Michael Thomas and Godwin's stats (only guys above him) even more padded?

 

I mean if you break it down, yes, those guys get a ton of targets. They're also both statistically better than DJ Moore in just about every category. A lot of that has to do with how bad Kyle Allen is though.

 

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32 minutes ago, hepcat said:

Steve Smith's stats were also down in 2013 because of the switch at offensive coordinator to Mike Shula.

I'm also not saying that DJ hasn't improved or isn't showing he can be a #1 receiver, I am saying his stats are definitely padded because the team has been forced to throw because they are losing. 

Moore's Splits leading, tied, and trailing:

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Team Splits leading, tied, and trailing:

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Roughly 57% of Moore's yards have come while trailing.

In terms of plays called, we have been trailing in all games 55% of the time. 

Statistically, a 2% comparative difference does not show an increase in production based on the Panthers trailing in games. It shows that he produces similarly when the Panthers are Ahead/Tied as well as when they are trailing. 

I believe that you are wrong in your assessment. I believe it LOOKS LIKE he gains the majority of his yards while we are trailing simply BECAUSE we are trailing the majority of the time. 

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1 hour ago, Forty-Eight said:

Not trying to be negative on Moore but a bunch of his years yesterday came in the 4th qt as garbage yds. I like moore but he’s not really a home run guy. We need to find that guy and we’ll be good for the future. 

to be fair, we don’t have a QB that can really make the home run throws.  I mean frankly because of Cam’s injury the year before.....he hasn’t had the arm really his entire career.  A couple games last year where he wasn’t playing a lot.

 

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1 hour ago, hepcat said:

Steve Smith's stats were also down in 2013 because of the switch at offensive coordinator to Mike Shula.

I'm also not saying that DJ hasn't improved or isn't showing he can be a #1 receiver, I am saying his stats are definitely padded because the team has been forced to throw because they are losing. 

I mean you can say that about the majority of WRs though 

 

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