McDaniels in Denver: What he learned

[mc52beast]

I’m not a fan of McD, would much rather Tepper hire. But I think people are putting too much into his failure at Denver.  Belicheck was a HC for the Browns and did nothing, now he has multiple rings and is considered one of the best. 
 

Basically what I’m saying is if McD has learned from his mistakes then he deserves a second chance... just not in Charlotte

[JARROD]

3 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I will be honest---what I do not know about these candidates is more significant that what I know---so I am going to trust the process.

McCarthy is perhaps the safest bet.  He has experience and the clout to assemble a top-notch staff--something that I have not read yet as one of the top reasons to hire a coach.  

For example, you may like Stef or EB as a coach, but what kind of staff could each put together?  You can have the best conductor in the world, but if the orchestra is inexperienced.....

 

That’s what I’m saying.

each of these other guys has a 70/30 chance to bust. 30 might be generous on the succeeding.

Mike is well respected, will bring in a great staff and we know we will have playoff runs 70% of our seasons and at least 1 Super Bowl out of 10 years.

thats what he is.

[MHS831]

1 minute ago, JARROD said:

That’s what I’m saying.

each of these other guys has a 70/30 chance to bust. 30 might be generous on the succeeding.

Mike is well respected, will bring in a great staff and we know we will have playoff runs 70% of our seasons and at least 1 Super Bowl out of 10 years.

thats what he is.

I think we will learn a lot about our owner over the next week or two.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, MHS831 said:

I think we will learn a lot about our owner over the next week or two.

Hopefully we like what we learn.

That's definitely not guaranteed.

[raleigh-panther]

9 hours ago, rayzor said:

Pretty sucky, sad, and small perspective on life and people you've got there.

While I agree in principal razor, people can’t be what they aren’t.

we aren’t talking about X’s and O’s, we are talking about soft people skills.  That’s a horse of a different color 

 

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, JARROD said:

That’s what I’m saying.

each of these other guys has a 70/30 chance to bust. 30 might be generous on the succeeding.

Mike is well respected, will bring in a great staff and we know we will have playoff runs 70% of our seasons and at least 1 Super Bowl out of 10 years.

thats what he is.

I think it is a huge logical leap to assume that his previous success will equal success here. I have a good example of a guy that had a stellar record, came from a winning franchise and was widely well regarded prior to his second coaching stint.....

[MHS831]

4 minutes ago, mc52beast said:

I’m not a fan of McD, would much rather Tepper hire. But I think people are putting too much into his failure at Denver.  Belicheck was a HC for the Browns and did nothing, now he has multiple rings and is considered one of the best. 
 

Basically what I’m saying is if McD has learned from his mistakes then he deserves a second chance... just not in Charlotte

I agree with every word, with one caveat--he could admit his shortcomings in Denver, but he may not be able to change--it could be, that when given the reins, that is who he is.   This will shock many of you, but there are things about my personality and leadership style that I would love to change--but can't, for some reason.  I worry that he is acknowledging his flaws because they are common knowledge but is not going to be able to reinvent himself this time around. 

[MHS831]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

I think it is a huge logical leap to assume that his previous success will equal success here. I have a good example of a guy that had a stellar record, came from a winning franchise and was widely well regarded prior to his second coaching stint.....

Aside from captaining the Titanic a few hours before it hit the iceberg, I am not even sure that I would call Seifert successful at SF-  (off topic) but I get the point.  Does that face not say, "I am milking some $$ out of an expansion franchise and all I have to do is stand here and eat Certs."

[JARROD]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I think it is a huge logical leap to assume that his previous success will equal success here. I have a good example of a guy that had a stellar record, came from a winning franchise and was widely well regarded prior to his second coaching stint.....

That in itself is a poor example right?

the dude took over from still arguably the best coach ever with a great team.  
 

Mike took over Green Bay with Favre and continued there, and stayed for rebuilds, another Super Bowl etc 

it’s not the same thing.

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I think it is a huge logical leap to assume that his previous success will equal success here. I have a good example of a guy that had a stellar record, came from a winning franchise and was widely well regarded prior to his second coaching stint.....

Had the best winning percentage of any coach in NFL history, until...

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Aside from captaining the Titanic a few hours before it hit the iceberg, I am not even sure that I would call Seifert successful at SF-  (off topic) but I get the point.  Does that face not say, "I am milking some $$ out of an expansion franchise and all I have to do is stand here and eat Certs."

I'd love to see the reasoning behind calling a coach with a 76.6% winning percentage(prior to Carolina and was the highest in NFL history at that point) and 2 Super Bowl titles not a success. If that isn't success, sign me up for that kind of failure.

The point being the same, McCarthy is also a guy coming from a franchise that had a LOT of talent and was in a streak of historic success. So, you have to kind of take some of their accomplishments with a grain of salt. It's a lot easier to be successful when you are set up so well for that success. 

[kungfoodude]

6 minutes ago, JARROD said:

That in itself is a poor example right?

the dude took over from still arguably the best coach ever with a great team.  
 

Mike took over Green Bay with Favre and continued there, and stayed for rebuilds, another Super Bowl etc 

it’s not the same thing.

Lol. What rebuilds? You mean the retooling? Have you just looked at their list of season results? 

Maybe the 21 winnings seasons since 1990? The 19 playoff appearances? The three Super Bowl appearances? As I said, historically successful franchise. 

[JARROD]

3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Lol. What rebuilds? You mean the retooling? Have you just looked at their list of season results? 

Maybe the 21 winnings seasons since 1990? The 19 playoff appearances? The three Super Bowl appearances? As I said, historically successful franchise. 

Whereas the 49ers did what with Seifart?

as far as “retooling”

are you discounting new GMs, different coordinators, complete defensive changes, failed GM drafts etc by Ted?

[kungfoodude]

I'll ask the McCarthy question a different way. If I had a coach that had a 59.4% winning percentage, only 1 losing season out of six, 3 Division titles and 4 playoff appearances.....would you be interested in that coach?