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Update: McCarthy to the Cowboys

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3 minutes ago, Give me a Hurneya said:

lmao that is embarrassing for @SBiii

He seems to really want to be a big deal. Tries way too hard to impress people or put himself ahead of others.

In reality, thinking that message board rep means something is kinda like believing that the local sports radio station putting your call on the air makes you a celebrity.

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1 hour ago, TheMaulClaw said:

McCarthy has the personality of brown bathroom mat. He was not the charismatic leader we needed. We need a guy who can get the players to buy in quickly. Especially after losing a coach that they valued as a good leader...which despite his faults Rivera was.

The reason I disagree with this is because I think very little of our current roster will be with the team 2 years down the road. I think basically whoever you hire, you need to get Luke's buy in as the leader of the defense and a respected vet, and assuming Cam will still be here, you need to get Cam's buy in for the same reasons. I don't think most of the rest matter much either way. CMC may or may not stay with us after his rookie deal, but I also don't get a vibe from him like he's the sort to leave a team just cause the HC is not a huge ra ra motivational guy that he loves. CMC is pretty self motivated.

Having said that, one of the reasons I prefer Bienemy to McDorkface is my perceived stark contrast with their abilities in this area. I think long term a coach's personality matters, I just don't think in our particular situation it matters because it's urgently important we bring in someone the players like as much as Ron. A total jerk is no good *cough cough* McDorkface, but it isn't imperative we get captain charisma.

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4 hours ago, MHS831 said:

I know better than to complain about a draft pick, and I surely know better than to complain about a hire.  Here is my track record:

1. Loved the Seifert hire.  Got pumped.

2. Did not like the Cam pick--wanted Marcel Dareus, I believe if we stayed-- Wanted to trade down and grab a bunch of picks.

3.  Did not like Luke that high; felt his upside was limited.

4. Did not think CMC pick compared to Fournette--the only RB I had with a first round grade that draft (Maybe Mixon from Oklahoma).  Thought he comes from a conference that has gaudy offensive stats and no defense---and a white RB is a gimmick that only works in New England. 

5. I was pumped that Clausen fell to us in the second round, after teams desperate for a QB (like KC and Minnesota a the time) passed on him--twice.  Feel the Hurn Burn, Vikes and Chiefs.  Psych.

6.  I thought Dwayne Jarrett was going to be a stud, but I changed that opinion when I saw him at OTAs.

The only picks I got right that come to mind:

1. I predicted that the Panthers would draft Georgia SS Thomas Davis and move him to LB.  I was mocked.

2. I thought Gross was a 10-year answer at LT.  I loved the Ryan Kalil pick.  (but I thought the Jarrett / Kalil second round would go down as the best in team history, following the trade down with the Jets that led us to Beason.  The Jets took Revis, I think.

3. I hated drafting Williams, Stewart, and Otah.  It was an overreaction from having to start Nick Goins in the NFL Championship game. Williams had high mileage at Memphis, Stewart had surgery and Otah just was not that great in college, in my opinion.   I still think we could have done better.

4. I did not see Everette Brown as a good fit.

5. I thought Greg Hardy saved that draft (Clausen, Lafell, Edwards, Norwood, Hardy).  Then I spoke to him at an OTA.  He cra.

 

My point?  Getting mad is stupid because we are stupid.  Let it play out.  Give everyone a chance to suck before you accuse them of it.

Props to you for not getting banned with that history.

Now take off the Van Halen t-shirt before you jinx them and they break up.

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Another quick note. McCarthy lives in Austin so I’m sure staying close to home was a big factor with home going to Dallas. Almost forgot about that until my coworker mentioned something about. My coworkers inlaws are MCarthys neighbors or something like that and he mentioned his wife’s parents were stocked that he was going to Dallas 

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43 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

The reason I disagree with this is because I think very little of our current roster will be with the team 2 years down the road. I think basically whoever you hire, you need to get Luke's buy in as the leader of the defense and a respected vet, and assuming Cam will still be here, you need to get Cam's buy in for the same reasons. I don't think most of the rest matter much either way.

Having said that, one of the reasons I prefer Bienemy to McDorkface is my perceived stark contrast with their abilities in this area. I think long term a coach's personality matters, I just don't think in our particular situation it matters because it's urgently important we bring in someone the players like as much as Ron. A total jerk is no good *cough cough* McDorkface, but it isn't imperative we get captain charisma.

Good post.

I think McCarthy would have had the respect of the 2 key guys you mention, and, I believe McCarthy could have coached Cam in a manner which he would be receptive to.

I too prefer Beiniemy to McDaniels.  I believe Luke will love him, not so sure about Cam.  If Bieniemy gets the job Cam is going to get coached way harder than he ever has in his lifetime --- and if he embraces it --- the sky is the limit.  It could also go the other way...

The Pastor of Pain mentioned Dungy's name...seems like an interesting option.

 

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37 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

The reason I disagree with this is because I think very little of our current roster will be with the team 2 years down the road. I think basically whoever you hire, you need to get Luke's buy in as the leader of the defense and a respected vet, and assuming Cam will still be here, you need to get Cam's buy in for the same reasons. I don't think most of the rest matter much either way. CMC may or may not stay with us after his rookie deal, but I also don't get a vibe from him like he's the sort to leave a team just cause the HC is not a huge ra ra motivational guy that he loves. CMC is pretty self motivated.

Having said that, one of the reasons I prefer Bienemy to McDorkface is my perceived stark contrast with their abilities in this area. I think long term a coach's personality matters, I just don't think in our particular situation it matters because it's urgently important we bring in someone the players like as much as Ron. A total jerk is no good *cough cough* McDorkface, but it isn't imperative we get captain charisma.

You sound like a 7th grader when you call him "Mcdorkface". I'll take him over any of the other candidates being discussed. Give me a coach that knows how to adjust and play to his teams strengths. Something Ron could never do.

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