SPEAK FOR YOURSELF TAKE - Does Rhule want Cam?

[SBiii]

20 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Cam wants to win as much as anyone and will gladly follow anyone he thinks can help him return to on top.

I am squarely in the camp, if not one of the leaders of, the Cam should and will return to the Panthers in 2020...

...that said, what you say wasn't true w/ Cam & Smitty.

Cam has a wakeup call coming and hopefully he will respond in the proper fashion --- things are getting ready to get a lot more serious around here, especially so for Cam. 

[panthers55]

1 minute ago, SBiii said:

I am squarely in the camp, if not one of the leaders of, the Cam should and will return to the Panthers in 2020...

...that said, what you say wasn't true w/ Cam & Smitty.

Cam has a wakeup call coming and hopefully he will respond in the proper fashion --- things are getting ready to get a lot more serious around here and for him.

 

Not sure how Smitty not allowing Cam to be a leader on the team has anything to do with Cam not following the coach of the team and not buying into the culture Rhule wants to set. Seems totally apples and oranges to me.

[arbnranger]

Wow somebody got that Haterade. 
Cringe . 
dude in the beard needs a Xanax .

[SBiii]

1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

Not sure how Smitty not allowing Cam to be a leader on the team has anything to do with Cam not following the coach of the team and not buying into the culture Rhule wants to set. Seems totally apples and oranges to me.

The exact quote was:

"... Cam wants to win as much as anyone and will gladly follow anyone he thinks can help..."

Smitty was the natural leader -- Cam didn't want to follow him.

If he had wanted to and done so, Smitty would have remained on the team and the Panthers would have been MUCH better off for it.

It's water over the dam at this point so no need to go down the rabbit hole but I will be very interested to see how Cam responds to the new leadership --- especially if new leadership doesn't give Cam as much leeway "to be Cam"...and I don't think Rhule will.

  (REALLY would have been interesting if Bieniemy were hired)

[MHS831]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

No idea, but two things...

Jourdan Rodrigue has stated that while they'll ask his opinion, the Newton decision will still be made by Tepper and Hurney.

Also, he was asked in a radio interview how much he knew about our personnel. Rhule said he didn't know anything but he was going to get to work on getting to know the players.

If you were the new coach at Seattle, would you mention Wilson?  If you were the new coach at KC, would you mention Mahomes?  If they just hired you in Green Bay, would you mention Rodgers? Yes.

If you were hired in New England, New Orleans, Carolina, Tampa Bay---you are smart not to mention the QB.   Wonder why?

I watched how careful he was with questions during that interview in Waco.  He was smart, sensitive, and humble.  He mentioned his Baylor players by name.  He did not mention the face of the Panthers franchise. I am sure it was discussed during interviews.  Wonder why he would not mention Cam? 

[panthers55]

1 minute ago, SBiii said:

The exact quote was:

"... Cam wants to win as much as anyone and will gladly follow anyone he thinks can help..."

Smitty was the natural leader -- Cam didn't want to follow him.

If he had wanted to and done so, Smitty would have remained on the team and the Panthers would have been MUCH better off for it.

It's water over the dam at this point so no need to go down the rabbit hole but I will be very interested to see how Cam responds to the new leadership --- especially if new leadership doesn't give Cam as much leeway "to be Cam"...and I don't think Rhule will.

  (REALLY would have been interesting if Bieniemy were hired)

Smitty wasn't a natural leader. In fact he shunned rookies and wouldn't even talk to them. He actually was critical of Cam who was the quarterback and on every team is the leader of the offense. If Smitty had been a defensive player they could have coexisted perhaps. But on any team if an offensive player is critical of the QB and they can't get along, one of them leaves and is isn't the QB. The anyone was referring to a coach not a player. Again what player follows another player instead of the coach unless that player was a positive influence and the locker room was in shambles.

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

If you were the new coach at Seattle, would you mention Wilson?  If you were the new coach at KC, would you mention Mahomes?  If they just hired you in Green Bay, would you mention Rodgers? Yes.

If you were hired in New England, New Orleans, Carolina, Tampa Bay---you are smart not to mention the QB.   Wonder why?

I watched how careful he was with questions during that interview in Waco.  He was smart, sensitive, and humble.  He mentioned his Baylor players by name.  He did not mention the face of the Panthers franchise. I am sure it was discussed during interviews.  Wonder why he would not mention Cam? 

To be clear, he wasn't asked about the quarterback, just the personnel in general. He basically said he didn't know anything about us.

The host mentioned Kuechly and McCaffrey. He gave an "uh, yeah" sort of response.

And to be fair, it's not really his job to know about us or any other pro team, so I wouldn't consider it a big deal. Just kinda funny...

[lightsout]

Length of contract tells me two things. Cam is either playing out the current contract or he's requesting a trade. That is what Tepper is doing on that front. If Cam performs well and the team feels Cam is good to go, they'll extend him midseason or next off-season.
 

Rhule's contract being 7 years allows for the possibility that Cam doesn't work out, be it his health remaining problematic or the fit with coach and player not panning out and Rhule wanting to get a new QB to run his offense. This affords him the opportunity to do that after Cam, IF that's what happens.

 

But that's just my opinion/best guess.

[Basbear]

I believe just like MANY of the high IQ panther fans, he wants a healthy Cam. I did some digging, Rhule runs and loves the RPO(run/pass option)..... I know one QB that can do that with the best of them..... 

[h0llywood]

Harrison looks so out of place amongst men who are decently eloquent. Plus it looks like he opened a fresh shirt out of the plastic from Ross and put it on.

Cam doesn’t have the luxury to do anything but buy in. He doesn’t have the 7 years Rhule has to succeed, Cam has this year and that’s it. 

[MHS831]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

To be clear, he wasn't asked about the quarterback, just the personnel in general. He basically said he didn't know anything about us.

The host mentioned Kuechly and McCaffrey. He gave an "uh, yeah" sort of response.

And to be fair, it's not really his job to know about us or any other pro team, so I wouldn't consider it a big deal.

Maybe, Scot --BUt I think he was deliberately not mentioning personnel==not that it means anything, but that he does not want to talk about individuals he does not know. In that interview, they asked him about his asst. Head Coach taking over at Baylor.  He said (paraphrasing) "I do not want to mention any one person, but yeah, he would be good.  So would other members of my staff."  There were several "trap" questions like that, and I was impressed that he did not get caught answering one. 

Who knows?

[MHS831]

Here is a thought that has no basis in anything more than speculation:

Did he get a seven-year deal because he knew that he might have to develop a quarterback?  If I thought Cam was not returning--or might not---I would not take a 3-year deal. 

I know that is probably not the case, but thought I would throw it out there.

[RideorDieCarolina]

55 minutes ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

Look man, all I see is a win win situation for this organization. 

 

If they decide to keep Cam, that will mean two things. Cam is coming back Healthy and they will FINALLY build properly around him. Rhule will make him better.

 

If they decide to deal Cam away that means they are starting fresh and possibly getting a nice return for him which will be used properly for the rebuild. Either way the future looks good.

 

I agree that if Cam is healthy then he stays, if he is let go or traded that means Tepper/Hurney don’t think he is healthy or can’t regain his form. What would we expect to get back in a trade for an unhealthy Cam? 

[panthers55]

8 minutes ago, lightsout said:

Length of contract tells me two things. Cam is either playing out the current contract or he's requesting a trade. That is what Tepper is doing on that front. If Cam performs well and the team feels Cam is good to go, they'll extend him midseason or next off-season.
 

Rhule's contract being 7 years allows for the possibility that Cam doesn't work out, be it his health remaining problematic or the fit with coach and player not panning out and Rhule wanting to get a new QB to run his offense. This affords him the opportunity to do that after Cam, IF that's what happens.

 

But that's just my opinion/best guess.

Maybe Rhule thinks that new quarterback will be Grier given his earlier comments about Grier being pro ready